Posted on 01/06/2007 7:31:11 AM PST by Antoninus
Bump
Seems like liberals can make all the verbal gaffes they want, but if a Republican does it, he's the most stupid person in the world.
Why is everyone assuming that those three are the only ones from which we'll be able to choose for 2008? If I remember correctly, we were into 1999 before George W. Bush became a household word. There's still time.
Shove it. Your are the one with the wrong attitude. My post had nothing to do with you, as I have no idea who you are. Do not feel free to project and misinterpret what I say. And stop thinking you are the only one in the world with problems.
Giuliani is further to the left than both Hillary Clinton and Karl Marx. He's a cross-dressing cheerleader for the homosexual agenda, gun-grabbing socialists and the partial birth abortionists. He's also a lobbyist for La Raza and a champion of amnesty for all 75 million illegal aliens in our country today.
McCain is, of course, unacceptable.
So called independant voters are not allowed to vote in Republican primaries in most states. Registered Republicans choose the nominee, not independants so McCain's popularity with them is meaningless unless they are fired up enough to re-register in order to vote in the primary. Somehow, I doubt they care that much.
Biased MSM polls showing him to be the frontrunner are just MSM blather because they are deliberately ignoring how candidates are really chosen in order to hype a candidate who can't win the primaries because his "base" doesn't exist. There is no "Independant" party and they don't nominate candidates.
"Based on his voting record, he has climbed into bed with the liberals too many times and voted in opposition to the GOP's position to a number of issues. I don't see a solid conservative in Hunter; only another "let's-all-get-along" conservative like Bush. BTDT!"
Would you care to give some facts to back up what you say, rather than just editorializing. You will convince a lot more people that way.
SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO"
SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO" Part II
U.S. Sen. John McCain is no War Hero
John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate
McCain Is Booed by Labor Activists
McCain Rides to Kerry's Rescue: "John Kerry is Not Weak on Defense" (Today Show alert)
John McCain SCREAMS AT 9/11 FSA MEMBERS FOR OPPOSING HIS BILL TO GIVE AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS
A number of articles on McCain. (some the same as above)
McCain/Soros by Rabbi Areyh Spero
Soros' "Reform" (an article about Soros‘ instrumental hand in McCain/Feingold)
Not Child‘s Play [McCain/Schumer bill could effect FR?]
McCain's Letter (McCain aligns with Global Enviro activists)
See my post #59.
A third party vote is like peeing in your pants when it's really cold. It may give you a warm feeling at first, but in the long run it wont help.
The GOP just needs an overhaul.
Your argument might be valid about indies, but you forget that McCain is also popular among a large percentage of Republicans. Those people want a winner. Despite the animosity many conservative Republicans feel towards McCain or Giuliani, they are the too most popular Republicans in the country at large. And they are also the most well-known. Winning the presidency means not just getting the conservative Republican vote, it also means getting many moderate or nonideological Pubbies.
The fact is that most voters of either major party are not wrapped up in current events or ideologies like the ones on this forum or other conservative forums. Conservative Republicans will just have to face facts: winning in 2008 might come down to McCain, Giuliani, or defeat.
I disagree with the validity of this assessment. He is not popular with a large percentage of Republicans (especially those who turn out for primaries) or he would have won the nomination when he ran in 2000. He lost then for the same reasons he won't win the 2008 nomination. He is disliked and distrusted by too many in the base, and he will be 73 in '08. McCain's time came and went eight years ago.
I don't think we have to worry about Hillary, I think she will not run, and instead lobby for Senate Majority Leader.
Obama is simply not ready.
The guy we should be worried about is Bill Richardson.
We'll see. I liked Bush over McCain in 2000, and I do not rue my choice. However McCain was very popular for a time with many Republicans. Remember Reagan didn't win the nomination in 1976, although it can be argued that no candidate can defeat a sitting president. His age didn't hurt him in 1980. Who are the other choices that will excite the voters? No one but McCain or Giuliani. I'm not saying it'll be McCain (I'm not a fan), but it might come down to him or Rudy if Republicans want to keep the White House. I'm afraid the present list of faceless conservative Republican candidates (Romney etal) will not be able to defeat Hillary or Obama in 2008.
Well, McCain is going to make alot of people mad because of his backstabbing history.
In '76 Ford lost to the more conservatively perceived Carter. Had the dumb RINO's that worked to preserve Ford over Reagan not done so, Reagan would have beat Carter and saved us what in my opinion was the WORST administration of the 20th century. Most of our terrorist problems stem from Carter's Iranian fiasco. Had the Shah remained in power, Saddam would have lost the Iran-Iraq war (and we would have been in the Iranian camp instead) and he probably would have been assasinated with Iranian assistance long before he conceived of gassing the Kurds or any of his other WMD programs.
Reagan won in the 1980's in spite of his age because of his conservative base in both the Republican and Democratic parties (back when there were still social conservatives in the Dem party, not sure there are any more).
You moderates are so convinced it's the conservatives that need to compromise in order to win. Of course the only times the Republicans have actually is with conservative candidates like Reagan and GWB so why you think we conservatives are the problem is beyond me.
Guliani excites nobody but the NY DC corridor powerbrokers and the faux glitterati intellengtsia set. But they don't win elections, they lose them.
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