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How Do Freepers Feel About a Troop Surge? Yes or No? If Yes, How Many?
Free Republic ^ | january 5, 2007 | self

Posted on 01/05/2007 4:29:39 PM PST by MHT

How Do Freepers Feel About A Troop Surge? Yes or No? If Yes, How Many?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; surge
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To: MHT

My vote will have to be "Undecided". On the other hand I think we needed more troops in the beginning for a real occupation till things settled.


21 posted on 01/05/2007 4:42:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: MHT

If there's a "surge," then our guys need to kick ass so hard that the insurgents won't be able to just hang on until the surge recedes. Seems unlikely to me, not that I really know.


22 posted on 01/05/2007 4:42:46 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: MHT

Who knows!...my son and hubby will be there regardless.


23 posted on 01/05/2007 4:42:48 PM PST by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: BurbankKarl

You are right.

They're going to vote on it before Bush even announces what he's going to do.


24 posted on 01/05/2007 4:43:25 PM PST by Howlin (Not voting GOP was like being thirsty but not drinking since the glass is only 75% full ~~SoCalPol)
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To: MHT
A caller to one of the talk radio programs a week before Christmas said that they need to take the restrictions off the troops who are already there. That would be the greater deterrent to the insurgents.

Considering that after the Abu Graib prison fiasco, the US troops on guard duty were issued rubber bullets, and considering the current restrictive rules of engagement, and considering the several dozen are currently awaiting trial for their engagement with the enemy, we need some serious oversight into how the war is being conducted.

How much has it gone PC and how much is, like the Ethiopian army, actually cleaning out the insurgent infestation?

It took 3 tries before a major effort got Fallujah cleaned out. Several tries have happened in an effort to get Baghdad cleaned out, but apparently, they all failed.

The first step is to identify the mission and the problems. Is that the White House is micromanaging? The State Department? The SecDef? The Joint Chiefs? The US military leaders in Baghdad? The Iraqi government?

We know the troops would clean out any area anywhere -- but they have to given the opportunity.

Maybe it is time for a heavy dose of Opposition Party Congressional Oversight. The current course sure seems stuck.
25 posted on 01/05/2007 4:46:06 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: colorado tanker

There are troop surges, and then there are troop surges, in military history. Some radically alter the calculus of the battlefield. Others simply add to the stasis and sense of quagmire, ending up as nothing more than preludes to defeat.

The Allied offensives of August and September 1918 that finally broke the Kaiser’s armies followed from a surge of thousands of fresh American troops into the western front. But the victory wasn’t due just to the increase in numbers. After all, the Germans themselves the previous spring had tried to break through the Allied trenches with thousands of additional storm troopers freed from the Russian Front. The difference was that the Allies created a new unified command structure under Gen. Foch, employed greater combined use of tanks, exploited the element of surprise by means of shorter bombardments, and depended on much better organized logistics to sustain initial breakthroughs.


From VDH today:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MWRjYTAzMDlkNWVkOTZkZTU0NGI5NzU3NGI5MDgxYjA=


26 posted on 01/05/2007 4:46:08 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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To: Allegra

Can you bring back a pair of those crossed swords on your next trip home? They'd look real cool in my backyard.


27 posted on 01/05/2007 4:46:14 PM PST by rabidralph (A freakin' American)
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To: Allegra

I would say, yes, we need more troops, and they ought to be deployed into Iran.

And yes, the Rules of Engagement need to be written by Infantry types, not by JAG lawyers and Chaplains.


Oh, and Shoot Mookie publicly for treason. Remember to stand him up to a corner of the building, so the rounds don't injure the firing squad.


28 posted on 01/05/2007 4:46:32 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: Sender

They have to get past Lieberman first. He is the trump card.


29 posted on 01/05/2007 4:46:41 PM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: MHT

Why do you want to know what the Chairborne Rangers want? Ask the Generals what they need? Keep the civilians out.


30 posted on 01/05/2007 4:47:18 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: MHT

Why do you want to know what the Chairborne Rangers want? Ask the Generals what they need? Keep the civilians out.


31 posted on 01/05/2007 4:47:18 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: BurbankKarl
The Dems are going to defund the war...there will be no surge.

That would be political suicide. They won't do that. Anyway, Pelosi is Speaker in name only. She hasn't got a majority.

32 posted on 01/05/2007 4:47:51 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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To: Howlin

it will be interesting to see - how many republicans vote to support the surge, when those votes come to the floor.


33 posted on 01/05/2007 4:48:47 PM PST by oceanview
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To: MHT

Anyone sitting back here in the land of the Big PX hasn't got a clue. I see the daily classified reports on activities in theater and I constantly discuss what's going on with those on the ground. But don't ask me what to do in the tactical fight. I'm not on the ground, and just don't have a feel for it.

I can assure that 99.9% of the morons living inside the beltway know even less than I do. They are totally clueless and only advocate what they think with strengthen their political position. They are only interested in themselves and their politcal futures. They could care less what happens to their country and its soldiers.

As for the strategic and operational objectives and way ahead, that's easy: Fight to Win, whatever it takes.


34 posted on 01/05/2007 4:49:21 PM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: MHT

Two "surges" are needed. First, a greater number of boots in the combat forces (6 to 8 combat brigades for the active duty Army, and 3 to 4 combat brigades for the Marines). This is needed to ease the rotation schedule.

As for boosting the presence in Iraq (specifically Baghdad) say 20 to 30 thousand.


35 posted on 01/05/2007 4:49:37 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: bnelson44

she hasn't got a majority? don't put too much faith in the newly elected blue dogs.


36 posted on 01/05/2007 4:50:32 PM PST by oceanview
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To: MHT

Whatever the generals think they need, I'm for.

Except, I want Sadr and his gang removed from the equation. If that means Fallujah Redux, then whatever. There is no time like the present.


37 posted on 01/05/2007 4:50:41 PM PST by marron
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To: MARTIAL MONK
"Only if we go Ethiopian an their a$$e$."

HeHe..

Unfortunately, we have to now fight under unreasonable pc rules that the Ethiopians would consider laughable...

38 posted on 01/05/2007 4:51:51 PM PST by pandemoniumreigns
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To: oceanview
The newly elected blue dogs are what Dems call moderates. They won't follow her war views. They would rather give the president a chance to fail than take the blame for a US defeat.
39 posted on 01/05/2007 4:52:09 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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To: MHT
If I'm gonna play general, I want their pay. (and no monopoly money accepted)
40 posted on 01/05/2007 4:52:40 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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