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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread (?) Monday Dec 18th, 2006
RushLimbaugh.com | 12-18-2006

Posted on 12/18/2006 8:37:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie

On Sunday's Meet the Depressed Mr Newt stuck his whole head in it once again. He said we needed to send 500,000 troops to Iraq. Some questions for Mr Newt

Hey Newt, We sent 500,000 troops to Vietnam at the height of our involvement. How did that work out for us?

Curious, where are you going to get the 500,000 troops for Iraq? How long do they stay? What are they going to be doing?

Gee Newt, I guess I missed the part of your Resume that covered your military background. Which Staff Schools did YOU attend Newt?

Newt has become a perfect machine politician. He simply is picking up on what the DC Political-Media complex wants to hear and saying it. He and McCain are basically the singing the same one note DC Marching song. This way both of them can placate the Right by saying "See we are supporting the troops" and still suck up to the DC noise machine by being against how the Iraq mission is being run by the President.

It is short attention span theater time again. The American people simply lack the emotional or intellectually discipline to face anything that requires sustained effort. So as usually the political snake oil salesmen are crawling out of the slime with the usual simplistic answers and easy fixes. Only problem is what they are trying to selling on Iraq is pure poison. The DC "Conventional Wisdom" on Iraq is, as usual, neither conventional nor wisdom

What Newt SHOULD be doing is listening to what Gen Abizaid told the US Senate when he came back from Iraq to testify to the US Senate in mid November. Newt should become Gen Abizaid's standard bearer. Position himself as the guy covering our troops back from the idiots in DC who STILL have learned nothing since LBJ screwed up "Nam.

For example, Newt could be raising the point that when asked specifically about troop levels by Sen McCain, Gen Abizaid (who only happens to be the actual commander on the Ground in Iraq) all but told McCain he is an utter idiot on Iraq. Gen Abizaid made it clear he did NOT need more troops. Newt should cut himself out of the 2008 pack by being the sane serious voice on Iraq backing up the Military rather then merely howling after the Junk Media pack. This "More Troops" propaganda line is both stupid political strategy and stupid military strategy.

There are 4 reasons why too many troops can be as bad as too few troops in a Counter Insurgency Mission.

Retardation, Marginalization, Friction and Unrealistic expectations.

Too many troops retards the locals efforts to develop their own military/political structure to govern . It takes time and effort to train and blood troops. It especially takes time to train up the cadre to run a serious military. Good NCOs and Officers are not born, they are made. This was on of the major US mistakes in Vietnam. It was easier to just have the US troops take over doing everything then work through the leaning curve of the locals. Problem was once the US no longer had the political will to carry on the mission they simply dumped the problem on an under developed Vietnamese political/military structure.

There is this odd American arrogance that seem to think ONLY Americans can do anything. Everyone else is incompetent and or corrupt. Only problem is the American public, like most spoiled brats, lacks the emotional or mental discipline to stick with unpleasant difficult tasks. Too many US troops would simply retards all efforts to get the locals to the point they can contain or break the Insurgents for themselves then when the petulant American people simply decided they wanted us to go home, there would be no one to pick up the bat for us.

Too many troops also marginalizes efforts to develop a counter political structure strong enough to break or contain the Insurgency. It deligitmizes the locals efforts and makes them simply look as lackeys of the occupying power. Having the US run everything marginalizes the political credibility of the local political structure and spurs the Insurgents propaganda and recruitment efforts.

The more troops the more friction with the locals. Face it, having a bunch of hyper aggressive mostly young mostly male Americans suddenly descend on you town is NO ones idea of a good time. Even in our own military towns there is a lot of friction between the locals and the military. Think how much worse that would be in an alien culture with a living memory of being a colony in everything but name? A heavily armed society with an exaggerated sense of male empowerment? Basically you have two aggressive testosterone drive heavily armed dominate male groups in close proximity.

Unrealistic Expectations. Send a lot troop and the expectation is you can quickly and easily solve all problems and bring the boys home. No, not in a Counter Insurgency. Counter Insurgency is evolutionary, not revolutionary. It takes time and lots of back breaking effort.. Sending a whole lot of troops simply exhausted your fiscal and military resources faster.

There are other things such as the added friction both on the locals and the US forces of having heavily armed, under trained conventional troops performing close combat operations in civilian areas. The counter productive results of a "kill people and wreck stuff" Conventional mentality in dealing with a Asymmetrical threat etc etc etc.

Frankly the DC Noise machine should simply shut up and get out of the US Military's way. They studied Vietnam hard and actually have the right answers here. As in Vietnam, the problem here is the "Washington Knows Best" mentality of the entrenched political media power structure who simply will sacrifice anything and anyone to avoid having to admit GW Bush has been right about Iraq all along.


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To: Sensei Ern
NBA = slap on wrist

This is shameful.

201 posted on 12/18/2006 10:24:04 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: Sensei Ern
It's two years away. I haven't endorsed anyone yet, either. I have UNendorsed two...McCain and Rudy.

Don't mean to belittle, since you did win the Man of the Year award, but you are not Rush. He could spark some interest and discuss some potentials. You guys think that someone is just going to magically walk up out of the ashes? I thought discussion was good. We should be discussing potentials.
202 posted on 12/18/2006 10:24:06 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty ("I do a lot of things to irritate the libs. And it works!" - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: All

Listening to Rush during my car ride for lunch, I could of sworn I heard him say Adrian dies in Rocky?


203 posted on 12/18/2006 10:24:20 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: Fawn

Yes Adrian does die in the film. He then opens a restaurant called "Adrians".


204 posted on 12/18/2006 10:25:46 AM PST by katieanna
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To: rush

Hey Rush, this is the NBA....There is no such thing as 'sportsmanship' in that league!


205 posted on 12/18/2006 10:25:57 AM PST by Roccus (Dealing with Politicians IS the War on Terror.)
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To: Fawn
She dies early. She's a 'spirit' most of the movie. Rocky visits grave...he talks to her...etc...
206 posted on 12/18/2006 10:26:50 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: Kerretarded

It's two years out. ANyone out there now, if they are not a media darling will be run through the wringer before they become a viable candidate.

My hope was on Allen until he got macacawed.


207 posted on 12/18/2006 10:27:26 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: katieanna

Wouldn't a pet store be more appropo?


208 posted on 12/18/2006 10:28:13 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: MaestroLC

That's too sad for me.


209 posted on 12/18/2006 10:29:48 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: angcat

Specter is a POS.


210 posted on 12/18/2006 10:30:20 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MaestroLC
In 1986 Kevin McHale sent Kirt Rambus into the cheap seats with a foul that completely changed the series. Showtime never got out of second gear and the Celtics the championship. In todays world fights would have ensued and , McHale would have been lost for the rest of the season.

Today's NBA players have no clue. The beating MJ took for years at the hands of the Pistons would never be allowed today.

211 posted on 12/18/2006 10:30:42 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Specter is a POS.



Yes I know. Plenty of them out there.


212 posted on 12/18/2006 10:31:13 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: katieanna
Sorry........... I can't concentrate now, Rush is talking about Allen Brothers Steaks....... real important CONSERVATIVE STUFF!!!

This guy is one hugely self-centered, disconnected egoist. P>One hour and thirty minutes of meaningless garbage so far.

213 posted on 12/18/2006 10:32:00 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: Sensei Ern
It's two years out.

Make sure you remind me when it is a good time to start getting us united behind someone worth while.
214 posted on 12/18/2006 10:32:11 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty ("I do a lot of things to irritate the libs. And it works!" - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: angcat

He's going to Syria. Bush is pissed.


215 posted on 12/18/2006 10:32:25 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: rush

You're meeting and exceeding audience expectations today.


216 posted on 12/18/2006 10:33:28 AM PST by Current Occupant (DBM, Libs, 5th column,PC will destroy this country. Preach it TALKIES while you still can!!!!!!)
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To: Kerretarded

WHen is the convention? ANd, if Rudy or McCain get it, let's form a Conservative Party.


217 posted on 12/18/2006 10:33:44 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: katieanna

LOL I'll be the next movie he starts a clothing line called "Adrians Casuals".


218 posted on 12/18/2006 10:33:55 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

http://www.allenbrothers.com/


219 posted on 12/18/2006 10:34:00 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: beyond the sea

It is a slow news day...


220 posted on 12/18/2006 10:34:03 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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