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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread (?) Monday Dec 18th, 2006
RushLimbaugh.com | 12-18-2006

Posted on 12/18/2006 8:37:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie

On Sunday's Meet the Depressed Mr Newt stuck his whole head in it once again. He said we needed to send 500,000 troops to Iraq. Some questions for Mr Newt

Hey Newt, We sent 500,000 troops to Vietnam at the height of our involvement. How did that work out for us?

Curious, where are you going to get the 500,000 troops for Iraq? How long do they stay? What are they going to be doing?

Gee Newt, I guess I missed the part of your Resume that covered your military background. Which Staff Schools did YOU attend Newt?

Newt has become a perfect machine politician. He simply is picking up on what the DC Political-Media complex wants to hear and saying it. He and McCain are basically the singing the same one note DC Marching song. This way both of them can placate the Right by saying "See we are supporting the troops" and still suck up to the DC noise machine by being against how the Iraq mission is being run by the President.

It is short attention span theater time again. The American people simply lack the emotional or intellectually discipline to face anything that requires sustained effort. So as usually the political snake oil salesmen are crawling out of the slime with the usual simplistic answers and easy fixes. Only problem is what they are trying to selling on Iraq is pure poison. The DC "Conventional Wisdom" on Iraq is, as usual, neither conventional nor wisdom

What Newt SHOULD be doing is listening to what Gen Abizaid told the US Senate when he came back from Iraq to testify to the US Senate in mid November. Newt should become Gen Abizaid's standard bearer. Position himself as the guy covering our troops back from the idiots in DC who STILL have learned nothing since LBJ screwed up "Nam.

For example, Newt could be raising the point that when asked specifically about troop levels by Sen McCain, Gen Abizaid (who only happens to be the actual commander on the Ground in Iraq) all but told McCain he is an utter idiot on Iraq. Gen Abizaid made it clear he did NOT need more troops. Newt should cut himself out of the 2008 pack by being the sane serious voice on Iraq backing up the Military rather then merely howling after the Junk Media pack. This "More Troops" propaganda line is both stupid political strategy and stupid military strategy.

There are 4 reasons why too many troops can be as bad as too few troops in a Counter Insurgency Mission.

Retardation, Marginalization, Friction and Unrealistic expectations.

Too many troops retards the locals efforts to develop their own military/political structure to govern . It takes time and effort to train and blood troops. It especially takes time to train up the cadre to run a serious military. Good NCOs and Officers are not born, they are made. This was on of the major US mistakes in Vietnam. It was easier to just have the US troops take over doing everything then work through the leaning curve of the locals. Problem was once the US no longer had the political will to carry on the mission they simply dumped the problem on an under developed Vietnamese political/military structure.

There is this odd American arrogance that seem to think ONLY Americans can do anything. Everyone else is incompetent and or corrupt. Only problem is the American public, like most spoiled brats, lacks the emotional or mental discipline to stick with unpleasant difficult tasks. Too many US troops would simply retards all efforts to get the locals to the point they can contain or break the Insurgents for themselves then when the petulant American people simply decided they wanted us to go home, there would be no one to pick up the bat for us.

Too many troops also marginalizes efforts to develop a counter political structure strong enough to break or contain the Insurgency. It deligitmizes the locals efforts and makes them simply look as lackeys of the occupying power. Having the US run everything marginalizes the political credibility of the local political structure and spurs the Insurgents propaganda and recruitment efforts.

The more troops the more friction with the locals. Face it, having a bunch of hyper aggressive mostly young mostly male Americans suddenly descend on you town is NO ones idea of a good time. Even in our own military towns there is a lot of friction between the locals and the military. Think how much worse that would be in an alien culture with a living memory of being a colony in everything but name? A heavily armed society with an exaggerated sense of male empowerment? Basically you have two aggressive testosterone drive heavily armed dominate male groups in close proximity.

Unrealistic Expectations. Send a lot troop and the expectation is you can quickly and easily solve all problems and bring the boys home. No, not in a Counter Insurgency. Counter Insurgency is evolutionary, not revolutionary. It takes time and lots of back breaking effort.. Sending a whole lot of troops simply exhausted your fiscal and military resources faster.

There are other things such as the added friction both on the locals and the US forces of having heavily armed, under trained conventional troops performing close combat operations in civilian areas. The counter productive results of a "kill people and wreck stuff" Conventional mentality in dealing with a Asymmetrical threat etc etc etc.

Frankly the DC Noise machine should simply shut up and get out of the US Military's way. They studied Vietnam hard and actually have the right answers here. As in Vietnam, the problem here is the "Washington Knows Best" mentality of the entrenched political media power structure who simply will sacrifice anything and anyone to avoid having to admit GW Bush has been right about Iraq all along.


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To: Sensei Ern

;-)


181 posted on 12/18/2006 10:10:00 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: katieanna
I'm just guessing............

Maybe he cares.

LOL

182 posted on 12/18/2006 10:10:41 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: Kerretarded

It's two years away. I haven't endorsed anyone yet, either. I have UNendorsed two...McCain and Rudy.


183 posted on 12/18/2006 10:11:24 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Has this turned into a football thread? I'm contemplating laying down "Chick Law."

No such thing!

184 posted on 12/18/2006 10:11:35 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jesus is the reason for the season.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
LOL! BTW, the music is by Trans-Siberian Orchestra (They do heavy rock versions of classical music--I like them).
185 posted on 12/18/2006 10:11:59 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: aligncare

I heard them for the first time the other week.
Not bad at all.


186 posted on 12/18/2006 10:13:16 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: Kerretarded

maybe he doesn't want to paint a target on anybody. The left would be glad to go after any candidate Rush calls out as his pick.

Maybe Rush should do more to play up McCain.


187 posted on 12/18/2006 10:13:32 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: aligncare
I love that music.

What's the name of that song?
188 posted on 12/18/2006 10:15:06 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jesus is the reason for the season.)
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To: beyond the sea

And why did you guess such a thing?


189 posted on 12/18/2006 10:16:46 AM PST by katieanna
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To: aligncare
"...go ahead...go out on a limb...BEARS v SAN DIAGO?"

I'm kinda hoping for a Saints vs. Chargers matchup in the Super Bowl.

Pros: Brees vs. Rivers. That would be a good story...
Tomlinson Awesome guy and awesome player
The 'aints? In the frickin' Super Bowl? Pretty cool. I'm all about the underdog.

Cons: Having to put up with all that "Hurricane Katrina/Bush's Fault/Woe is me, the victim whose checks have run out and still can't find a job because of the lack of Federal response" bull dukie all over and over.... and over again.

190 posted on 12/18/2006 10:16:55 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: MNJohnnie

Thanks for the ping! Working and lurking!


191 posted on 12/18/2006 10:18:00 AM PST by navynucmom (Jack Bauer.....less than a month away!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Maybe....but his answer was a complete copout.

"I am not affected by who wins elections.." Well, I am.


192 posted on 12/18/2006 10:19:51 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty ("I do a lot of things to irritate the libs. And it works!" - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Sensei Ern

...This is scary...I made the same observation as you did...LOL!


193 posted on 12/18/2006 10:20:16 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: MaestroLC

Going back to Hilary, anyone notice when Rush was talking about Hilary and who she would have concerns for when making her POTUS decision, "Myself, My Family, My Party, and My Country", she left out one that should cause New Yorkers to shout out. She left out MY STATE! That's right. She has no concern for HER STATE when making the decision to run for POTUS!

Take that Howard Stern! Take that David Letterman! Take that Jon Stewart! Take that The View!


194 posted on 12/18/2006 10:20:39 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty ("I do a lot of things to irritate the libs. And it works!" - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Kerretarded

The wise men, may not have been three, showed up after Jesus was a few years old.


195 posted on 12/18/2006 10:20:53 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: aligncare

deviant minds think alike!


196 posted on 12/18/2006 10:21:57 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

That's from the Nutcracker Suite...I just downloaded that last night, as a matter of fact.


197 posted on 12/18/2006 10:21:57 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Newt no longer exists for me... he is a shell of what he could have been and a sellout. He sold his soul for fame and media attention.

LLS


198 posted on 12/18/2006 10:22:49 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Sensei Ern

No argument from me!


199 posted on 12/18/2006 10:23:13 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: aligncare

Off to grab some lunch...back in a few.


200 posted on 12/18/2006 10:24:02 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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