Posted on 12/18/2006 8:12:55 AM PST by SJackson
BTTT.
And an even sadder consequence is - some people apply the same principle to their spiritual lives.
When God doesn't give them whatever they want, or they don't get their way, or when God doesn't answer their prayers just like they designed them, they are disappointed and want something else.
But that doesn't work.
Whatever Simeon expected the Messiah to be, he accepted Jesus Christ as the fulfillment of God's covenant with His people.
Simeon accepted what God chose to provide - which happened to be His perfect plan of salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Human Beings, Chimpanzees, Orangutans, Gorillas are all in hte Hominidae (sp?) or Great Ape family. Are Lions and Pumas cousins? If you consider them cousins, you would have to consider Humans and Chimps the same. Surely you dont disagree with scientists putting humans in the ape family right?
Sorry, missed this post in the midst of talking with others--narby, accygirl, reignoferror, Hank Kerchief and the now-departed donh, for whose demise from FR I am being excoriated on Darwin Central. Try reading more of that thread, particularly posts 173, 175, 178, 179, 184, 241. Donh kept posting to me after my complaint, and (it appeared) reached an agreement of some kind, as he asked what he *should* do when atheism was conflated with Nazi-ism. I thought removal of the offending post, or a warning, was all that was necessary, not a banning. Which is why my complaint said "Do we have to put up with this crap on Christmas Eve?" in post 105. I even included and italicized the offending remark explicitly, and made my complaint public instead of behind his back.
I read the site and disagree; although I can't at the moment recall the quote I'd like to use in response, I think it was from J.R.R. Tolkien.
The point being your source seems to dismiss all miracles as fabrications, mistakes, the willing self-deception of the gullible, and as typical of "the times".
From that mindset it is understandable that one would seek for any further anomaly to undermine or discredit much of the New Testament writings.
I am able to form and entertain the mental construct, but I deny its *universal* applicability, not being a materialist; and having other reservations which would probably be misunderstood at this point.
But it is interesting which you are committing a parallel of the logical fallacy attributed to creationists -- "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".
The relevant considerations are whether you would consider single-source knowledge *alone* to be disposative, absent the subject matter of miraculous or divine intrusion in to history, or whether it is the conjunction of those two circumstances which presses your buttons.
The answer to your question, actually, in a roundabout way, is "Flying Spaghetti Monster."
And finally, my question about "how many people would have dismissed the events" referred to contemporaries of the disciples--e.g. Festus saying to Paul, "Your great learning is driving you mad" and the like.
Cheers!
'Scientists' can do what ever they want; can't they?
Who am I to disagree with them??
HOWEVER.......
1 Corinthians 15:38-39
38. But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.
39. All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.
The point being your source seems to dismiss all miracles as fabrications, mistakes, the willing self-deception of the gullible, and as typical of "the times".
NIV Matthew 11:2-5
2. When John heard in prison what Christ was doing, he sent his disciples
3. to ask him, "Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?"
4. Jesus replied, "Go back and report to John what you hear and see:
5. The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor.
NIV John 10:37-39
37. Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.
38. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
39. Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.
NIV John 3:2
He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him."
NIV John 4:53-54
53. Then the father realized that this was the exact time at which Jesus had said to him, "Your son will live." So he and all his household believed.
54. This was the second miraculous sign that Jesus performed, having come from Judea to Galilee.
NIV John 6:1-2
1. Some time after this, Jesus crossed to the far shore of the Sea of Galilee (that is, the Sea of Tiberias),
2. and a great crowd of people followed him because they saw the miraculous signs he had performed on the sick.NIV John 6:14
After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they began to say, "Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world."
NIV John 7:3
Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do.
NIV John 7:21
Jesus said to them, "I did one miracle, and you are all astonished
NIV John 7:31
Still, many in the crowd put their faith in him. They said, "When the Christ comes, will he do more miraculous signs than this man?"
NIV John 10:24-26
24. The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly."
25. Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me,
26. but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.
NIV John 11:47
Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin. "What are we accomplishing?" they asked. "Here is this man performing many miraculous signs.
NIV John 12:37
Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him.
NIV John 14:9-11
9. Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'?
10. Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
11. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
NIV John 20:30-31
30. Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
31. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Oh come on! You can't be serious. Not only is the ToE wrong because of the bible, but now you're saying basic TAXONOMY is wrong?
We are mammals because our mothers produce milk. Are you saying that humans aren't mammals? A Platypus is a mammal so I guess that means humans aren't.
Are human beings even animals? Or are we a whole new thing? Where do I make the cut off?
This is getting laughable.
LiberalGunNut wrote:Oh come on! You can't be serious. Not only is the ToE wrong because of the bible, but now you're saying basic TAXONOMY is wrong?
Or even to include a reference, like this: Re: Your post 848. I don't always do it, but every little bit helps.
Cheers!
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Or even to include a reference, like this: Re: Your post 848. I don't always do it, but every little bit helps. Cheers! 849 posted on 12/27/2006 6:38:30 AM CST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.
Don't read more into it than was said.
What a charming, even romantic thought!
I'll definitely read the Harold Bloom, and thank you for the book recommendation!
Sounds like a great read, Cicero! Thank you so much for the book recommendation!
(All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.
Don't read more into it than was said.)
I can't read anything into it because it doesn't make sense. According to taxonomy we ARE cousins with Chimpanzees because we are part of the Great Ape family. You're saying that is wrong because the bible says so. I'm saying that is laughable.
So are humans mammals?
You are wasting your time.
Thank you so much for the pings to the book recommendations!
;^)
I like to use those; but when one is responding to one or two sentences from a longer post, just the post # is not enough.
Cheers!
...oh, and Happy New Year!
You are wasting your time.
It's your own words that are 'bothering' you; not mine.
Why isn't 'new year' on December 22 - the day when the Sun begins coming back North again??
I don't post under the name "Elsie", so your logic that it is my words bothering me is a bit confused. Perhaps your problems with logic are why you find it impossible to understand evolution.
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