Posted on 12/16/2006 1:06:03 PM PST by Urbane_Guerilla
10 WAYS TO FIGHT MOHAMMED-WORSHIP
The worship of mohammed, which is inspired by islam (the made-up mess of a book called the koran, the hadith, the sira), has a nihilist view of existence, as do all the totalitarian belief systems thought up and implemented by demented, hating men. Paradise is always on the horizon; destruction, violence, hatred, sadism, pain and death, always on the march toward the ever-receding goal; in this case, until you get the promised sex orgy in heaven.
Bombs and soldiers are not anywhere close to the answer in confronting totalitarianism. Nor is merely the will to win, as if we could gain victory if we only tolerate more deaths by our own civilization, and more of our treasure expended in ever greater amounts.
This is above all an ideological war. It needs to be waged as a battle of ideas.
The audience for this battle splits into two parts, the worshippers of mohammed, and those in the West who cannot or will not recognize their own peril, or who indeed share the totalitarian pov and hate liberty, especially because they hate America.
Here are ten ideas and themes, (they are many more) we can use in the battle.
1. YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. Jihadis and other mohammed-worshippers think they are going to the sex orgy in the sky. This is a very vulnerable mental state. The question of their ultimate other-worldly destination resides in the upper-most part of their psychologies. They must be told at every chance that their destination is HELL.
2. YOU ARE BEING EXPLOITED BY RICH COWARDS. The vast disparity of wealth in the islamic world is rich with possibilities. Poor, ignorant moslems (meaning, most) must be bombarded with the idea that their religion is a sham used by wealthy cowards, who are only interested in saving their own pampered, sheltered lives and their money, but who use mohammed-worship to keep ordinary moslems down.
3. YOUR WOMEN ARE TREATED LIKE GARBAGE. There is always going to be a large segment of moslem women who will be intelligent enough and courageous enough to be susceptible to the truth, and of acting upon it. They can be a valuable fifth column. Even with the relentless intimidation and brain-washing moslem men inflict on moslem women, the human mind is capable of understanding the truth, and the human heart of fighting for the respect and dignity every human being deserves.
4. YOUR CIVILIZATION IS A ZERO. mohammed-worship produces nothing constructive, adds nothing positive, creates nothing, and can take no pride in any accomplishments modern man can think of.
5. MOHAMMED IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A NARCISSTIC SOCIOPATH. The man worshipped by moslems had all the expected failings of a sociopath. They are familiar to anyone who has studied islam even a little, but they are unknown or denied even by mohammed-worshippers, forget about Westerners. The various aspects of this sociopath's life must be relentlessly presented to the world.
6. THE KORAN IS A VIOLENT, INCOHERENT MESS. The koran, to worshippers of mohammed, is the perfect analogy to the Resurrection for Christians. If you don't believe in the koran as the literal spoken word of allah, then you don't believe the central tenet of the faith. The koran is so incoherent and ridiculous, it cannot be defended except by death threats and intimidation. It must be "deconstructed" in the hundreds of ways possible. All that needs to be shown, literally, is that one word of the koran is false: how difficult can this be, if the propaganda is relentless enough?
7. MOHAMMED-WORSHIP CAN ONLY BE DEFENDED BY DEATH THREATS AND INTIMIDATION. The worship of mohammed is illogical and irrational, hence it can only be defended by death threats and intimidation. As long as those are the only "logical" means available to defend islam (that is, any exercise of human intelligence in any aspect of islam is deemed to be dissing allah), they should be focused upon daily.
8. ISLAM HATES AND DISRESPECTS CHRISTIANS, JEWS, HINDUS, BUDDHISTS AND EVERY NON-WORSHIPPER OF MOHAMMED. This cannot be stressed enough. Everywhere in the world the worship of mohammed goes, it hates and kills. The koran teaches moslems to disrespect and loathe the belief of Jews and Christians. The worship of mohammed deserves no more than what advocates toward others.
9. THE WORSHIP OF MOHAMMED HAS NO GOLDEN RULE, NO FORGIVENESS OF OTHERS, AND IS LOVELESS. This cannot be stressed enough. The golden rule is inherent in human nature. Even moslems, because they are human beings, must understand that the golden rule is the basic rule of existence. But they have been convinced that infidels are subhuman, and thus not worth according respect even in the most basic way.
10. WE LOVE MOSLEMS, WE PITY THEM, WE HOPE FOR THEIR REVERSION TO HUMANITY. This also cannot be stressed enough. mohammed-worshippers are human beings, just like the rest of us, no better and no worse, except their minds have been flooded with fear, intimidation, irrationality and hatred. The propaganda battle must include a constant reminder that all we want is their peaceful happiness and fulfillment.
I truly would like to discuss it with you, Jem.
This is the very crux of the matter. worshippers of mohammed feel free to say and do whatever they want, counting on the hobbled silence of the West.
This is a direct result of American slavery. Americans rightfully feel gravely ashamed by that aspect of our history.
mohammed-worshippers, who endorse slavery, take advantage of our shame and past sinfulness.
mohammed-worshippers are no more than Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons with regard to America. They understand that the race-hustle of those corrupt men is the key to keeping us silent. And they are succeeding. The race-hustle is a perfect fit with islam, an amoral con.
That is a totally speculative and unprovable pov. As far as we know, God has nothing to do with it.
And that is why our president is too cowardly to speak the truth.
He prefers his fantasy.
I could not disagree with you more.
The one word is "love," a word totally alien to islam, as opposed to any other religion whatsoever.
You are ill informed.
Christianity is based absolutely and categorically on the belief in the Resurrection.
If you do not believe in the actual, physical, bodily resurrection of Jesus, you cannot be a true Christrian.
You might be a species of Christian, but not a true Christian.
I understand and honor your sentiment. But please watch Zulu and pay attention to the Christian.
My desire to get mohammed-worshippers to reject their faith has everything to do with me. Yes, you are no doubt correct. Their rejection of their faith is very dear to me.
Your sympathy with psychopathic hatred, on the other hand, has to do with your insecurity with your own faith.
Your insecurity is why our President, a Christian, is unable to speak the truth about mohammed-worship.
He is frightened about the implications of that truth about Jesus worship.
In other words, he does not have the intellectual capacity to distinguish between the two.
Absolutely.
Brilliant men resort to the weasel word, "islamism". They are scared of speaking the truth. They are intellectual cowards.
Has anyone anywhere said, "I am an islamist"?
LOL ... of course not. I am a nazi. I am a communist. I am a socialist. I am a facist. Those are things real human beings say.
But I am an "islamiscist," or "I am an islamo-fascist"?
Ridiculous and absurd.
And our most brilliant people utter those risible things.
Somewhere on the net someone even came up with the embarrassing word, "counterjihad."
OMG ... we are defeating ourselves, when even those who understand refuse to speak the truth.
Look how intimidated many are to criticize Islam or Mohammed.
Absolutely.
Brilliant men resort to the weasel word, "islamism". They are scared of speaking the truth. They are intellectual cowards.
Has anyone anywhere said, "I am an islamist"?
LOL ... of course not. I am a nazi. I am a communist. I am a socialist. I am a facist. Those are things real human beings say.
But I am an "islamiscist," or "I am an islamo-fascist"?
Ridiculous and absurd.
And our most brilliant people utter those risible things.
Somewhere on the net someone even came up with the embarrassing word, "counterjihad."
OMG ... we are defeating ourselves, when even those who understand refuse to speak the truth.
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The de-construction of the English language and the fear of speaking bluntly, no matter who it offends will be the death of us all someday.
The Emperor has no clothes and everyone is afraid to say it. Something has happened to American society in the past 40 years, we are de-evolving into a soft society who lives in a fantasy world, unable to acknowledge the barbarians at the gate.
People in theoretical conversation say "I would have killed Hitler" with hindsight being 20/20.
We've got a religion full of Hitlers, how fast are we killing them? Not NEARLY fast enough.
Radical Islam and it's leaders are FAR MORE OVERT in their desire to exterminate all Jews, they even threaten to destroy America. Hey, who's on OPRAH today!
Hitler tried to keep the holocaust secret, our current enemy speaks openly about it, what's our response? Do you think Jennifer Aniston will marry Vince Vaughn?
"But please watch Zulu and pay attention to the Christian. "
Watch me?
For now, I'm going to assume that the ideological battleground is the Muslim world. I don't think most of these proposals are workable in the Muslim world. A few might have a bit more currency with the non-Muslim world, but I doubt their overall utility there. The ideological war in the West has a lot more to do with the old left/right hatreds than it does with Muslim culture.
One, the only way to convince a Jihadist he's going to hell is for another orthodox Muslim to tell him that. I don't think Ahmad al-Muj is terribly interested in the theological musings of Freepers, but he might listen to a mufti or an ayatollah with a sufficiently large pulpit. He may also listen to a family, clan, or tribal leader -- depends on how far gone he is.
Two, exploiting class-envy to deconstruct religion is a bit too Marxist for me, especially when many terrorists aren't that poor anyway. Disparities of wealth develop anywhere with sufficient wealth, it's only natural for the advantaged to amass whatever wealth they can. We need the Islamic world to reform commerce and property rights so the advantage passes from the de facto aristocracy to a meritocracy. This may be accelerated by instituting representative government while reforming Islamic education beyond the usual array of madrassas and state-sponsored bachelors' in Islamic history. It may be useful to set up American-run universities in Iraq and Afghanistan; they'd be electromagnets for terrorism, but they could train future leaders. We already do it for their military, why not their civilians?
Three, it is a point of pride to orthodox Muslims that they "protect" their women, and to Muslim women that they are more pious than poorly-dressed nonbelievers; to them, we treat our women like garbage. This is a private religious matter for most Muslims. But I agree that those societies that limit the movement of women or submit them to cruel punishments need to reform. After changes in codified law, the best way to deal with it would be to support those ulama who have liberal views regarding women, ideally through open scholarship. Think widespread reports on seventh-century Muslim women going about without veils, or how the change in the sex ratio since then has fundamentally changed marriage. Covert funding and propagandizing might get it done, but if it were uncovered, we'd lose a great deal of face.
Four, we already saw what happened when the Pope brought that idea up. It's a non-starter.
Five and six are pretty good ideas, but a soft touch is needed -- this could best be carried out by the academe, using traditions of Western rationalism (which are uncommon, but not unheard of in the Muslim world). Humanizing Muhammad and recasting the Quran as an inspired text, rather than the virtual embodiment of Allah it's become, would go a long way towards modernizing Islamic culture. It could set up a chain-reaction doing away with established fiqh ("jurisprudence") and bringing back itjihad ("reasoning" in the application of sharia to circumstances unforeseen by Muhammad).
Seven misses the mark completely, since Muslims do not worship Muhammad. Even if they did, telling them that the only way to defend their religion is with violence -- as part of a campaign to delegitimize their religion -- is probably going to provoke more violence.
Eight is another idea that Muslims won't grasp. To orthodox Muslims, Jews and Christians were always safe and happy under the Caliphate. The Crusades and the State of Israel messed things up, but their religion at its height -- the era to which they long to return -- was very tolerant. It might be useful to remind them of this fact, that they've failed in their responsibilities to their dhimmies, but accusing the religion of being inherently violent will shut down the listener and any chance of delivering a message.
Nine, Islam certainly has a concept of forgiveness, and love. (Maybe not the agape you're thinking of, though.) I don't know if it has a "golden rule," but a Muslim would counter that Western culture has no "rule of submission." You're assuming that his values are the same as your values, and that he will find wrong with his religion exactly the same things you find wrong with it. He won't.
Ten is good, but the wording is a bit polemical. (Ya think?)
Please read Mr. Gawthrop's article in the Fall 2006 issue of The Vanguard. He describes the centers of gravity, critical vulnerabilities, and seams that can be exploited in the ideological war.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
"Jews and Christians still think the Messiah has yet to come"
You might want to revise that statement a wee bit!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
How you gonna deal with people who won't listen to reason or logic?
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That is a great description of Christianity.
Have you actually read this thread?
Seriously there are bad Christians and bad Muslims/ I know a couple of Muslims (one of whom takes his breaks and goes and prays)
Are they bad .... no most will give you the shirt off their back. Do they like extremists...no they don't....do they believe in Jesus....yes they do....
This is a broad brush we are painting here.
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