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Putin's Oil Grab — An Ominous Sign?
investors.com ^ | 12/12/2006

Posted on 12/14/2006 2:14:34 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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1 posted on 12/14/2006 2:14:35 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"In this, Russia is acting more like the Soviet bully it once was than the respected member of the community of nations it claims to be."

How naive can you get?


2 posted on 12/14/2006 2:16:55 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It is sort of like the US democrats where, you risk money and develope an oil field and the govt. slaps a "windfall" profits tax on you.

It is also similar to "mandating lower drug prices".

The democrats and Putin are birds of a feather.


3 posted on 12/14/2006 2:20:39 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russia is nationalizing its most vital infrastructure. China never freed up its oil companies, and both contries are taking over areas vital for defense. Very omnius indeed.


4 posted on 12/14/2006 2:21:21 PM PST by Thunder90
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As corrupt as Russia is, I'm not sure why anyone would have wanted to invest their even before Putin's maneuver.


5 posted on 12/14/2006 2:25:48 PM PST by amchugh
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To: staytrue

The thing is that Putin is still a hardline Soviet. Sometimes he slips up and says so.


6 posted on 12/14/2006 2:27:50 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: amchugh

Despite the corruption, Russia's real growth rate is 6.4%, nearly double that of the U.S. Plus, the ING Russia-A Fund is up 61% this year. (A China mutual fund leads all with over 105%.)


7 posted on 12/14/2006 2:45:22 PM PST by muleskinner
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Actually, Russia is growing even faster. Now with the nationalization of its oil infrastructure, Russia will grow much faster than before.


8 posted on 12/14/2006 2:49:24 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90; muleskinner
Ah, when your country has been run like a dump for 100 years, there's lots of room for quick growth. To be short, there's lots of concrete to be poured. Anyways, those that are able, vote with their feet. Russia is losing people. Not good when you have to get things across 13 time zones and are chasing off high tech companies that can help you get rich with fewer people. But then no one said Russian leadership was bright.
9 posted on 12/14/2006 3:28:14 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Leisler

When Russia is on the rise, we would be stupid to turn a blind eye. It seems to me the eyes have been foggy enough lately. Time to open them up.


10 posted on 12/14/2006 3:31:53 PM PST by LilyBean
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To: LilyBean
Don't mistake an commodity bubble for a trend. All commodities over time, decrease in value. That's Putin's pony. Good luck to him.

Speaking of trends. Not only is Russia losing people in absolute numbers, but the population is swinging to those master of progress, Muslims.
11 posted on 12/14/2006 3:38:36 PM PST by Leisler
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Ah, thanks for making me feel better. Not.


12 posted on 12/14/2006 3:42:30 PM PST by LilyBean
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13 posted on 12/14/2006 4:02:18 PM PST by sergey1973
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Thanks for the data. I'll restate my point. I wouldn't put assets into Russia without some kind of business loss insurance covering the assets. I remember hearing from a friend who worked on a joint science venture with the Russians. He was a network engineer working for NASA at the time. One of the issues they had was the $100,000+ Cisco router they sent over went down. He called his Russian counterpart to see what the problem was, and the guy said "what router?".


14 posted on 12/14/2006 4:45:20 PM PST by amchugh
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To: Thunder90
"The thing is that Putin is still a hardline Soviet. Sometimes he slips up and says so."


15 posted on 12/14/2006 5:25:43 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If he wants to be respected, he ought to behave respectably. That would require a major trancivilization effort, at a minimum. To drive the notion of omnipotent state out of his head upper derriere, a major blunt trauma would be necessary.
16 posted on 12/14/2006 7:07:27 PM PST by GSlob
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When Yeltsin was in power he negotiated some PSA's Sakhalin 1-3 and Kharyaga which were very favorable terms for the operators and not the Russian government.
Exxon has Sakhalin 1 and lost 3, Shell 2, and Total Khargaya.

Those projects are really big and profitable and the Russians want a bigger share or more attrative terms than what Yeltsin gave them away for in the 80's.

While I dont condone what they have done, it is no worse than Chavez and Morales who kicked alot of companies right out of the country and nationalized their assets.

It is a sign of the times in the oil industry these days.

After living in Norway for 17 years, I can understand it as the Norwegian state felt that they should have control of their natural resources. Gullfaks they have 50% of and the other owners were only Norwegian.


17 posted on 12/14/2006 7:08:35 PM PST by oilfieldtrash
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Russia just "seized" Shell oil investment in the Sakhalin Island project. I presume Shell did most of the serious exploration and initial infrastructure. So Russia decided their investment should be reduced from 50% to 25% now that it all looks good. Shell will get some BS compensation after taking so much risk and hard work


18 posted on 12/14/2006 7:10:38 PM PST by dennisw
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they're sounding the alarm. A few years too late, but hey...


19 posted on 12/14/2006 7:13:00 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (He has cast down the mighty from their thrones)
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they're sounding the alarm. A few years too late, but hey...


20 posted on 12/14/2006 7:13:02 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (He has cast down the mighty from their thrones)
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