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Falling prices trap new homebuyers
The Orange County Register ^ | December 13, 2006 | JEFF COLLINS

Posted on 12/13/2006 4:40:07 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Wednesday, December 13, 2006

Falling prices trap new homebuyers

Neighbors in a new Garden Grove tract say a developer's plan to slash prices by about $140,000 has left them owing more for their homes than they're now worth.

By JEFF COLLINS

The Orange County Register

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bubble; depression; despair; doom; dustbowl; grapesofwrath; housing; housingbubble; iluvwilliegreen; imtomjoad; prop13rules; realestate; schadenfreude; wearealltoast
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To: GodGunsGuts

bttt


241 posted on 12/13/2006 8:32:00 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: CIB-173RDABN
The cost of government will continue to grow as long as they have a ready source of income.

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Cops, firefighters, EMTs, teachers, highway maintenance workers should never get a raise? New patrol cars, fire trucks, snow plows should never be bought? Emergency services should always work with 1950s technology? Schools should never be wired? The cost of services goes up of necessity. One can choose to live in an impoverished county like some of those in the rural south where there is no tax base but formany of us that's not living.

And, yeah, I've been fortunate but in 1972 $20k a year was big money. I do not know anybody who was working then and is still working today who is not earning a significant multiple of that. I am certain that you were not getting by at 45 on the same income you had at 23.

I have no disrespect for you at all, I just disagree on your idea about real estate taxes.

242 posted on 12/13/2006 8:33:48 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Larry Lucido

LOL!

I'm not as interested in their particular sob story (it is sad though) as much as I'm interested in what's happening to the price of housing, ARMs, sales, foreclosures, etc.


243 posted on 12/13/2006 8:36:32 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: finnman69

bttt


244 posted on 12/13/2006 8:36:41 AM PST by Nascar Dad (President Barack HUSSEIN Obama?? Possible only if McLame goes 3rd party.)
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To: Who dat?

It depends on line of work a lot, too. In some lines of work, you're scenario is true, in others, mine is. Teachers are a good example of those who are better off financially in the Midwest than CA.

I'd have to make at LEAST $180k to consider SoCal's smog, traffic, swarms of illegals and liberals, etc. In my business (mortgages) I dunno, it's possible, but I'm not sure.


245 posted on 12/13/2006 8:37:04 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: wtc911; CIB-173RDABN

Prop 13 is essentially California's version of "rent control."

The problem is, most Californians can't keep up with the cost of California's infrastructure.


246 posted on 12/13/2006 8:39:08 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: bondjamesbond
PS. What your home is worth today is irrelevant unless you sell it today.

Not completely irrelevant. If it drops by as much as described in the article, it could save you a serious chunk of change on your property taxes. Especially in Texas. 

247 posted on 12/13/2006 8:39:40 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: Toddsterpatriot

It took you a while, but it looks like you're finally catching on d:op


248 posted on 12/13/2006 8:44:42 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
The current downward spiral is highly deflationary making the debt even more unbearable.

These debt levels are uncharted territory. No precedent to give us guidance on how bad it could get.

You can bet that the Fed and the PPT are monitoring the situation very closely and there is no doubt that this Fed will sacrifice the dollar to save the consumer-led economy from any meltdown.


BUMP

249 posted on 12/13/2006 8:55:37 AM PST by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Ever hear of pushing on a string? When Japan's real estate bubble popped, they lowered their rates to zero which attracted exactly zero new demand for real estate.

We'd better hope it doesn't get that far because Japanese real estate is down more than 50% over the past 15 years.

That just wouldn't be tolerated here we are not a nation of savers and the Fed abhors deflation.


BUMP

250 posted on 12/13/2006 8:59:47 AM PST by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: durasell
Prop 13 is essentially California's version of "rent control." The problem is, most Californians can't keep up with the cost of California's infrastructure.


Rent control? So, it is your view no one but the Government owns property. It is never ours, we only "rent" it from the government. And the government should be allowed to raise the rent as often as the market will tolerate, and if you can not pay, get out and let someone else have it.

This country has really gone down hill over the past half century if we have people that belive this is the case.

251 posted on 12/13/2006 9:01:37 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: pfony1
You're on. You might see some swings up and down within the trend (as no market travels in a straight line for long). But on the whole, the plunge in real estate is only just beginning, and it will have widespread implications for the larger economy, which btw, the FED is starting to publicly acknowledge.
252 posted on 12/13/2006 9:07:03 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Obviously private citizens own the property. I used the comparison to "rent control" as a system that favors those who have been in a place the longest irregardless of "market value."

California is an expensive place. You have a lot of goodies to pay for -- roads, complex water systems, a state university system, etc. etc. etc.

Some of these things you may see an unnecessary, but many of them have added value to the homes of the residents.

At the present time California is locked in a death match between Northeast States for the 21st century industries and businesses. Whoever wins gets to not be Detroit.


253 posted on 12/13/2006 9:11:46 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It is very hard to tell when some posters are lying. One poster claims there 'is no bargain hunting in CT.' The jerk just ignores the fact that median prices just crashed $ 24,000 throughout the state. They just stick their heads in the sand, clinch their teeth and lie.


254 posted on 12/13/2006 9:15:30 AM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: GodGunsGuts

We were able to save up a lot of money in that farmhouse, and that was BC (Before Children).


255 posted on 12/13/2006 9:17:27 AM PST by stevio (God, Guns, and Guts made America. A politician against any of the 3 doesn't get my vote. (NRA))
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To: NonValueAdded
If they were in the market in order to flip the house, tough cookies. They had a hand in driving up the price to ridiculous levels. If they bought the house as a long-term residence, so what? Assuming they could afford the payments for what they bought, all they ned to do is wait for the market to cycle through the dip. Meanwhile, demand a break on property taxes.

Finally a sensible assessment. Thank you for saying it so well.
256 posted on 12/13/2006 9:24:17 AM PST by smalltownslick
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To: ex-Texan

You said:

"...some posters are lying. One poster claims there 'is no bargain hunting in CT.' The jerk just ignores the fact that median prices just crashed $ 24,000 throughout the state."

Do you really think that a $24,000 "reduction" is enough to make the Kensington House a "bargain"?

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Kensington House

Mid-Country
Greenwich, CT, USA
Property ID #0361155 15 room(s)
6 bedroom(s)
6 full bath(s)
3 half bath(s)
12,800 sq ft
$11,295,000


This exquisite, newly crafted mid-country Georgian-style home offers 12,500+ sq. ft. of breathtaking interiors showcasing elaborate plaster moldings, grandly scaled public rooms, and state-of-the-art amenities. The sumptuous master suite shares the second floor with 4 en-suite family bedrooms. Lush gardens and bluestone surround the enchanting pool and spa, complete with a fully equipped pool house. An absolute masterpiece.

Picture at:

http://www.siroffices.com/brokerages/greenwich/details.asp?Propertynumber=0361155&quicksearchyn=y&FeatureProp=y&splash=greenwich



257 posted on 12/13/2006 9:35:54 AM PST by pfony1
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To: GodGunsGuts
"Neighbors in a new Garden Grove tract say a developer's plan to slash prices by about $140,000 has left them owing more for their homes than they're now worth."

...and they're applauding because their property taxes just got lowered with the fall in appraised value going down $140,000...lowering their monthly payments.

Nah...

258 posted on 12/13/2006 9:40:35 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"All the realtors that said this couldn't happen in Orange County were quite simply wrong..."

Realtors are just salespeople. It's the *job* of salespeople to utter whatever words will make a sale. On the other hand, listening to such people is little more than a crutch for the indecisive.

The people who were *wrong*, however, were the doom and gloomers of "inflation."

Inflation means things cost more, like houses. In contrast, when housing prices decline, that's *deflation*. That means that each Dollar is worth more, making prices fall.

Deflation is a very bad thing, which is why people don't like to see home prices decline.

259 posted on 12/13/2006 9:45:24 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: pfony1

Gimmee a break.


260 posted on 12/13/2006 9:47:49 AM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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