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Globish cuts English down to size
The Times ^ | December 11, 2006 | Adam Sage

Posted on 12/11/2006 1:58:29 AM PST by Mrs Ivan

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To: Mrs Ivan
The French will do anything to deny that English is indeed the international language.

We have noticed this for generations. I had a French teacher in high school who always claimed in every class that French would be the global language. My wife had a French teacher who claimed the same. Both had roots in Quebec, and naturally both claimed to speak a Parisian French. The students of course laughed at them. I live about a five hour drive to Montreal, yet have not heard French spoken in decades. Despite French being one of the official Air Traffic Control languages, I have not heard it very much when I listen to BOS's Tower.

A demonstration of its acceptance can be seen on newsgroup discussions. Someone posts a question in French, from Wannadoo.FR, and waits for an answer. And waits. And waits. Oh well, Esperento advocates said the same things.

At a guess I suspect IT and the Internet had a role to play in this; the timing correlates.

For example, years ago, I had some Russian hobby magazines ("Model Builder"). It had a monthly section, "Your Home Computer", showing a crude 1920's style line drawing of an enthusiast in rapture, sitting in front of a 1950's style rounded-corner terminal.

So...the article would go on about the monthly little recipe database project, etc., and there would be paragraphs in Russian, punctuated here and there with ((RUN)), ((SAVE)), ((LIST)), Etc. because the 8080 CPU did not care about language advocacy.

21 posted on 12/11/2006 3:45:03 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: Mrs Ivan
Absolutely right. My German is by no means fluent and I survived five years in Germany using this technique!

I am guessing that this is not the language used to cultivate friends. . .(?) Or is this for starters. . .

22 posted on 12/11/2006 3:49:20 AM PST by cricket
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To: Mrs Ivan
The French will do anything to deny that English is indeed the international language.

Our enemies continue to attempt to redefine and diminish any aspect of superior culture in order to destroy it altogether.

23 posted on 12/11/2006 3:52:01 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Globish??..sounds like RALPH it....


24 posted on 12/11/2006 4:14:41 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: jimtorr

You should've had a night oot on the toon in Newcastle.

'Haddaway 'n sh!te ya friggas!'

:D


25 posted on 12/11/2006 4:22:57 AM PST by AngloSaxonChristian
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To: Mrs Ivan

"deny that English is indeed the international language"


Apparently, the world is a changin. My BIL, who's in internet security, has been learning Chinese. His Wife, in the local school system, is learning Spanish. Of course, they do live in California.


26 posted on 12/11/2006 4:49:00 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: cricket
I am guessing that this is not the language used to cultivate friends.

No, just for getting by in the town where English is not much spoken.

27 posted on 12/11/2006 4:58:38 AM PST by Mrs Ivan (English, and damned proud of it.)
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To: Mrs Ivan
Gee, does this mean I can toss all my Wicked phrasebooks?
28 posted on 12/11/2006 5:01:56 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Mrs Ivan
Globish - interesting. I've been speaking this since I was a child and didn't even know it! Growing up in Japan, my brothers and I were frequently approached by school kids who wanted someone nonthreatening to practice their English on. You quickly learn to speak in simple 2nd or 3rd year English.
29 posted on 12/11/2006 5:04:30 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: Mrs Ivan
It involves a vocabulary limited to 1,500 words, short sentences, basic syntax,...and extensive hand gestures to get the point across.

It sunds like a hip-hop video if you do away with the idiom restrictions.

30 posted on 12/11/2006 5:05:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
...and extensive hand gestures to get the point across.

LOL. They'd better be very careful with that one...

31 posted on 12/11/2006 5:12:32 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Mrs Ivan
The French will do anything to deny that English is indeed the international language.

Doesn't matter. In 20 years there will be no France. I twill have been replaced by the Frankish Islamic Republic.

32 posted on 12/11/2006 5:34:40 AM PST by EricT. (The Republicans got fired for poor performance. 12 years and that's all they did?!?)
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To: mewzilla

Iirc, Bush Sr. got his 'V' for victory backwards somewhere in Europe and offended the locals. (Sort of the euro-version of the All American 'you're number one with me' finger.)


33 posted on 12/11/2006 5:36:40 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Is Globish the same movement that has people saying:

"dived" instead of "dove"

and adding "s" to anything to make a plural, such as:

"sheep" is now "sheeps"
"aspirin" is now "aspirins"

or is that part of Ebonics?


34 posted on 12/11/2006 5:39:33 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: School of Rational Thought
or is that part of Ebonics?

What is Ebonics?

35 posted on 12/11/2006 5:42:47 AM PST by Mrs Ivan (English, and damned proud of it.)
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To: AngloSaxonChristian

that can't be English..


36 posted on 12/11/2006 5:46:15 AM PST by rahbert
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To: Mrs Ivan

Him fella-fella want all speakum pidgin, yes?


37 posted on 12/11/2006 6:10:12 AM PST by skepsel
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To: Yehuda
When it comes to discussions on language, you'll forgive me if I don't trust The Times (or, for that matter, most U.S. papers):

The UK Times is a reasonably sound newspaper - not quite as sound as the Daily Telegraph, but a centre right newspaper all the same.

39 posted on 12/11/2006 6:29:16 AM PST by Mrs Ivan (English, and damned proud of it.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Terrific book on the subject...

Gestures: Do's and Taboos of Body Language Around the World (Paperback)

40 posted on 12/11/2006 6:30:19 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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