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Clint Eastwood's Iwo Jima film resonates in Japan
Reuters ^ | December 9, 2006 | Linda Sieg

Posted on 12/09/2006 9:31:30 AM PST by Zakeet

TOKYO - Hiromasa Murakami went to see Clint Eastwood's "Letters from Iwo Jima" to find out if an American could tell the Japanese side of a battle that became a symbol of U.S. patriotism, but for Japan was a bitter memory of defeat.

After viewing the film on Saturday when it opened it Tokyo, Murakami thinks Eastwood got it right.

"It was marvelous," the 50-year-old carpenter said as he emerged from the theater. "How should I express it? It was the same for both sides, for them and us. Everyone was a victim."

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For many Japanese, the battle that killed 6,800 U.S. Marines and 21,000 Japanese has long been a tragedy best forgotten.

"Iwo Jima was a defeat. It was miserable and no Japanese movie company wanted to try to show it," said Eichi Tsukada, a 71-year-old retiree whose father died in World War Two.

Six decades after its defeat, Japan is still trying to come to grips with the Pacific War and who was to blame.

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Few young Japanese these days know much about the battle for the tiny, tear-shaped island 700 miles south of Tokyo.

But after watching the film on Saturday, 17-year-old high school student Satoshi Koyama said he had learned something.

"American and Japanese soldiers were fighting with the same emotion. Both wanted to return to their homelands," he said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hollywood; iwojima; japan
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To: burzum
There was more to the emotions on our side than just the one emotion of returning home.

Good grief! You think you can summarize Japan's motivations for their attack on the US and their subsequent defeat at the hands of the US forces in a single sentence?

I summarized the emotions of my father who fought in Europe and was badly injured. He had hoped to move on to fight the Japs in the Pacific, but he couldn't.

His emotions were more than wanting to just return home.

This phrase described that:

Take your non-sequitur, rude response and blow in out your a*s.

61 posted on 12/09/2006 12:17:07 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Snoopers-868th; Covenantor

Oh, I have the book. Will keep reading it in spite of its speed bumps.

Thanks to both.


62 posted on 12/09/2006 12:17:09 PM PST by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: FreeReign
Noted. Carry on.
63 posted on 12/09/2006 12:31:46 PM PST by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: ShadowDancer

i couldn't put it down...later, reluctantly gave it up to that old german soldier...
from what his children say, he is another haunted old soldier, albeit from the
enemy side. check abebooks.com; search by putting in title and in keywords, english. (there are thousands of title if you don't narrow the search down)

good luck, good reading. (why shadow dancer? forgive me for asking)


64 posted on 12/09/2006 12:34:54 PM PST by ripley
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To: ripley

No special reason. My screen name used to be riley1992 (my dog's name and year he was born) and when I left here for a while I didn't think I could use my old screen name still so I changed it. Turns out I could have.


65 posted on 12/09/2006 12:36:48 PM PST by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: ShadowDancer

I don't have my copy anymore either but you're right, it was a great read.


66 posted on 12/09/2006 12:39:22 PM PST by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: Zakeet

If this review is even remotely accurate, it's just one more reason NOT to see Eastwood's films about Iwo Jima. I'll save my money and use it to buy a real history of that battle. I'm not interested in sentimental journeys that attempt to rationalize the evil of the Japanese Empire.


67 posted on 12/09/2006 12:41:22 PM PST by matt1234
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To: Wuli
national psyche, of both Japan and Germany today are not the nations we went to war against.

Have you ever seen modern Japanese and German pornography? The girls aren't smiling. The pornography isn't as disturbing as is the national interest. It is a window into their national psyche. A nation's character can partially be read by what they fantasize about doing to other people.

Japan and Germany should not be allowed nuclear weapons. Can you imagine what the world would look like today if they had them 60 years ago?

68 posted on 12/09/2006 12:42:26 PM PST by Reeses
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To: ShadowDancer

Do a title search on Amazon? I think I just saw it there also. "soldat"....


69 posted on 12/09/2006 12:43:33 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Snoopers-868th

I would never own a Japanese car"
I have an uncle who feels exactly like you do and whose plane was shot down in the Pacific.
Yet he has owned several Mercedes during his life which astounded me since the Germans matched the Japanese for brutality and mercilessness during the war.
Its OK to make a statement but he should have been consistent.


70 posted on 12/09/2006 12:44:37 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: ripley

Geez, #66 was meant for you, not me.


71 posted on 12/09/2006 12:45:06 PM PST by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Yep, the person who has it now told me the name. My memory is shot to hell.


72 posted on 12/09/2006 12:45:54 PM PST by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: Riverman94610
I have an uncle who feels exactly like you do and whose plane was shot down in the Pacific. Yet he has owned several Mercedes during his life which astounded me since the Germans matched the Japanese for brutality and mercilessness during the war. Its OK to make a statement but he should have been consistent.

I think relevant Germans were tried for war crimes and those getting away have been hunted down. Also, I have not seen the denial or revisionist history coming from Germans that I have seen from Japanese.

73 posted on 12/09/2006 1:17:17 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Porterville

Correct. Our mindset was worlds apart. We were fighting for freedom, they were fighting for their emperor.


74 posted on 12/09/2006 1:25:45 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: Snoopers-868th

We are grateful for your father's service. We are always better than our enemies. I fear though that today we are being too 'nice'.


75 posted on 12/09/2006 1:32:49 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: Zakeet
Maybe if the Japanese were to ever hear the truth, they would quit making stupid remarks like American and Japanese soldiers were fighting with the same emotion. Both wanted to return to their homelands.

The Japanese wanted to return to their homelands - sure "after" they conquered all of Asia.

76 posted on 12/09/2006 1:35:18 PM PST by bulldozer
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To: ReignOfError
MacArthur was a canny administrator who understood the Japanese mindset and how to treat their culture (and their emperor) with respect. Bush could have learned a thing or two from MacArthur.

As for the Japanese themselves, they can be anal, frustrating, conformist and still make great allies. Maybe it's a generational thing but I can't hate today's Japanese for what their grandparents did.

77 posted on 12/09/2006 1:43:52 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: snippy_about_it
We are always better than our enemies. I fear though that today we are being too 'nice'.

I agree with that saying "War is Hell." Some of that Hell is the expectations WE place on our warriors who are not treated equally.

Panties on head vs burning and dragging through the streets, hanging on bridges, and beheadings, etc? But in the end--this opposition will thank us (as those before them did) for our decency. Right. /sarcasm on.

78 posted on 12/09/2006 1:46:29 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Patton@Bastogne
Incredible ! Never heard that before.

I hadn't either until I went to the Hiroshima museum.

As far as karma goes, I think the target list was based more on putting the bomb on a city with military/industrial capacity that hadn't already been bombed a lot. Tokyo was out because the U.S. thought they might need the Emperor after the war and it had already been bombed quite a bit.

One of my japanese friends has a live in mother-in-law which is quite common there. My wife and I were invited over for New Years and she proceeded to tell me how she remembered the Doolittle raid and then a couple years later when the B-29s started coming over every day. It was an interesting conversation with her granddaughter acting as translator.

79 posted on 12/09/2006 1:47:52 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Bommer


"What happened to Ira Hayes is probably the most pathetic story of a human to come along. He was thrown into a limelight he felt that he did not deserver to be in, only to be found dead in a ditch."









"So far Clint Eastwood's "Flags of Our Fathers" has escaped that kind of criticism, protected by the passage of time and its air of realism. But even its people are problematic. The character of Bud Gerber -- the political sharpie who puts the heroes on the bond tour -- is fictional (and veers perilously close to the old cliche of the wily, cigar-chomping, show-business Jew). And although the film suggests that Ira Hayes' alcoholism stems solely from his war service, he had a history of drunk-and-disorderly arrests before he ever put on a uniform."


80 posted on 12/09/2006 1:49:29 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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