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Intelligent Design and The Inner Life of the Cell
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| Jully 20, 2006
| Beth Marchant
Posted on 12/08/2006 7:17:52 AM PST by WhatsItAllAbout
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This new video of the "Inner Life of the Cell" speaks volumes about the "Intelligent Design" vs "Chance Evolution" debate. Especially if you consider the "Anthropic Principle" that the Universe is ideally suited for life to develop.
If you take the simplest know living organism and scale each atom up to the size of a tennis ball the diameter of that cell would exceed a mile. The thought that all those atoms could spontaneously form into a living thing boggles the mind.
I am not saying it couldn't happen, but if it did then something is at work in the process we do not currently understand.
Follow this link to the full video with an excellent narrative explaining what you are seeing. Inner Life of the Cell
To: WhatsItAllAbout
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posted on
12/08/2006 7:24:38 AM PST
by
marvlus
To: WhatsItAllAbout
I watched a program on the Science Channel last night.
It was an ID vs Darwin's Evolution Theory and showed ALL the reasons why ID was completely WRONG. And how Darwin was completely RIGHT.
Now I am not saying the earth is 10k years old. I don't believe that. But I don't believe it was all an accident either.
I know I will get ragged by the Evolutionists on this, but the whole time I was watching, my stomach didn't feel right. I cannot explain it, but my spirit was unsettled. Now my father was a staunch evolutionist, but I came from a religious family. A scientifically openminded family. My mother's theory is that we have no idea how long God's "day" is.
To: WhatsItAllAbout
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posted on
12/08/2006 7:45:48 AM PST
by
zek157
To: Southerngl
I know I will get ragged by the Evolutionists on this, but the whole time I was watching, my stomach didn't feel right. I cannot explain it, but my spirit was unsettled. Now my father was a staunch evolutionist, but I came from a religious family. A scientifically openminded family. My mother's theory is that we have no idea how long God's "day" is.
If you base your science on your stomach instead of your brain then it doesn't sound like any of your family's science rubbed off on you.
jas3
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posted on
12/08/2006 7:48:50 AM PST
by
jas3
To: Southerngl
Science tends to look only at the Physical explanations for things. But if you do not look at the data/information content of the processes involved you will never understand how life came into being.
The information content of the DNA code had to come from somewhere. And it seems unlikely to have sprung up spontaneously or through random mutations.
To: WhatsItAllAbout
To: jas3
If you base your science on your stomach instead of your brain then it doesn't sound like any of your family's science rubbed off on you. I hope you are not implying that "gut feelings" are irrevelant.
To: WhatsItAllAbout
Speaking as someone trained in the sciences, I don't know how you could look at that video and not believe in and thank God.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:22:15 AM PST
by
Fairview
To: WhatsItAllAbout
And it seems unlikely to have sprung up spontaneously or through random mutations.Unlikely isn't impossible though, and it only had to happen once.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:27:21 AM PST
by
cryptical
(Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
To: cryptical
That is so true, "All things are possible" but just saying something could have happened is not the same as proving it did.
To: Fairview
Speaking as someone trained in the sciences, I don't know how you could look at that video and not believe in and thank God.
Thank You. My feelings as well.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:46:19 AM PST
by
reagan_fanatic
(A liberal is a suicide bomber without the guts)
To: WhatsItAllAbout
That is so true, "All things are possible" but just saying something could have happened is not the same as proving it did.My problem with ID exactly.
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posted on
12/08/2006 9:09:56 AM PST
by
cryptical
(Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
To: ghostrider
If you base your science on your stomach instead of your brain then it doesn't sound like any of your family's science rubbed off on you.
I hope you are not implying that "gut feelings" are irrevelant.
Your hopes have been dashed in this case. I am not just *implying* that "gut feelings" are irrelevant, but I am *stating* that "gut feelings" are not a rational means to arrive at scientific conclusions. If more people actually studied microbiology, these threads would be far shorter. And if cells were "intelligently designed" then the designer needs some remedial training for they are models of inefficiency, duplicity of function, are wholly insecure, and are enormously information intensive.
Humans will be designing our own cells in a few years, and they will borrow from nature, but will also VASTLY improve upon so called "intelligent" design.
jas3
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posted on
12/08/2006 9:32:42 AM PST
by
jas3
To: WhatsItAllAbout
The thought that all those atoms could spontaneously form into a living thing boggles the mind. Right, and nearly every evolutionist agrees that it didn't happen that way.
What is generally believed is that simple structures evolved slowly over time into more complex structures over millions of years.
It was hardly spontaneous.
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posted on
12/08/2006 9:47:42 AM PST
by
mc6809e
To: cryptical
Just thinking now. Say you walked into a new Universe's Control room which contained all the controls that set the constants for that Universe, such as the speed of light, the fine structure constant, the weak and strong nuclear forces, and all the others, about 30 in all, how do you account for their settings? Any deviation of just a few percent off of any one would prevent life.
Since our Universe seems to be fine tuned for life, seemingly "Anthropic" in nature, what is the simplest explanation?
That explanation is what we seek and I for one would not rule out ID. Even if Evolution is a fact, it still doesn't account for the presence of our most hospitable Universe and the biogenesis of life.
To: WhatsItAllAbout
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posted on
12/08/2006 9:59:42 AM PST
by
Solamente
(Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out...)
To: mc6809e
What is generally believed is that simple structures evolved slowly over time into more complex structures over millions of years. It was hardly spontaneous What 'force' drove the simple structure to evolve to more complex structures? Why?
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posted on
12/08/2006 10:02:01 AM PST
by
Frapster
(Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
To: WhatsItAllAbout
Science tends to look only at the Physical explanations for things. But if you do not look at the data/information content of the processes involved you will never understand how life came into being.
How life first came into being is something we (scientists) don't know for certain. We have theories, but not enough evidence. Maybe we'll know some day, maybe we never will. But if you can suggest an information-theoretical approach that actually sheds some new light on it, we'll be much obliged to you. (Creationists, please be aware that we have high standards.)
The information content of the DNA code had to come from somewhere. And it seems unlikely to have sprung up spontaneously or through random mutations.
Useful, meaningful information can arise through random mutation and selection. This can be (and has been) demonstrated in a test tube. If you don't want to believe in evolution, fine, don't. But if you want to look at the question scientifically you'll have to put in a little bit of effort.
To: mc6809e
Replace the word spontaneous with at some point in time, and it still boggles the mind. And many believe based upon the variables involve there will not be enough time in the Universe for a biogenesis to happen.
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