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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Thursday December 7th
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 12-07-2006

Posted on 12/07/2006 8:49:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie

http://billroggio.com/archives/2006/12/the_military_and_the.php

The Military and The Media

The divide grows

FALLUJAH, IRAQ: I've completed the first leg of the journey to Iraq, after having moved through Dubai, Kuwait and Baghdad. I am now at Camp Fallujah. While in Fallujah, I'll embed with a Marine Police Transition Team (PTT) and also meet with the Civil Affairs Group. The next stop will be Ramadi.

The trip - from my front door to Fallujah - took 3 ½ days, accounting for the 8 hour time shift between the East Coast and Iraq. This is remarkable considering Iraq is a war zone. I spent all of 35 minutes in the Green Zone getting my ID badge and another two hours waiting for a flight to Fallujah. Most of the time was spent waiting at military airbases, trying to catch that next flight out on a plane or helicopter.

During my movement to Fallujah, I was on 3 bases and one camp: At Ali Al Salem (Kuwait), BIAP (Baghdad International Airport), Camp Stryker, and LZ Washington (inside the Green Zone).

The travel is long, and it can be boring if you let it get to you. But you're surrounded by a bunch of soldiers, Marines and contractors that are also traveling, many of them alone. They are either coming back from or going on leave, or moving into or out of the region. Most of them are quite friendly and happy to strike up a conversation. This is an interesting time to speak to them, because they are not as engrossed in the daily grind of Iraq as they are when I see them while I'm embedded. Here is a brief overview of some of the discussions I had with those I met while shuttling around Kuwait and Iraq.

Ali Al Salem:

At the transient tent (where you get to sleep and store your gear while waiting), I spoke to an Explosive Ordinance and Demolitions (EOD) contractor. These are the guys that blow up the leftover explosives and munitions from the Saddam era. He told me about how the media isn't telling the full story about the nature of the enemy, and specifically complained about the manipulation and distortion of the Kay report. He said he's run across bunkers and the equipment and chemical precursors to WMD buried in the deserts of western Iraq.

During a smoke break, an Army private discussed his time in Balad. He said mortars (which are blind-fired) are the greatest threat his unit faces. Not IEDs, I asked? Nope. While waiting to board the flight to BIAP, a Marine Major complained about how the progress in western Iraq has virtually gone unnoticed, and was furious over the characterization of the Devlin report on Anbar province. I gave him my card.

BIAP:

I had the pleasure being the only person on the shuttle bus from BIAP to Camp Stryker, and the driver, an Army specialist, struck up a conversation with me. I needed a SIM chip for my cell phone so I could call the States and in Iraq, so he took me across the base on some extremely bumpy roads looking for a place that sold them. During the drive, he explained his forays into Sadr City, how the residents were largely hostile to U.S. forces, and some engagements he's encountered. Yet he spoke admirably of the Iraqi people. He said they were hard working and willing to fight, and hoped we wouldn't abandon the Iraqi people.

We couldn't find an open store that sold the SIM chip, so he kindly offered to give me his as he knew I was desperate. I paid him for the card and a little extra to call home. He said he'll get a new card tomorrow.

Camp Stryker:

While waiting to catch the flight to the Green Zone, I spoke to two Army captains, one who works in Civil Affairs, the other with the Military Transition Teams. Both explained how the situation could look very different based on your job, but that the Iraqi police and Army were making real progress. They said the Iraqis' skills ranged from poor to excellent, but they always saw improvement.

I also overheard an Army specialist sitting behind me curse the media (and I mean curse), saying they didn't know what they were talking about when it came to Iraq. I talked to him, and explained I'm considered a reporter, and that I won't argue with his points. I made him uncomfortable. Had he known I was 'the press' I think he would have kept it to himself.

LZ Washington:

While waiting to manifest on the flight to Fallujah, CNN played a news segment of President Bush announcing there would be no “graceful exit” from Iraq, and that we'd stay until the mission was complete. Two sergeants in the room cheered. Loudly. They then scoffed at the reports from Baghdad, and jeered the balcony reporting.

In nearly every conversation, the soldiers, Marines and contractors expressed they were upset with the coverage of the war in Iraq in general, and the public perception of the daily situation on the ground. They felt the media was there to sensationalize the news, and several stated some reporters were only interested in “blood and guts.” They freely admitted the obstacles in front of them in Iraq. Most recognized that while we are winning the war on the battlefield, albeit with difficulties in some areas, we are losing the information war. They felt the media had abandoned them.

During each conversation, I was left in the awkward situation of having to explain that while, yes, I am wearing a press badge, I'm not 'one of them.' I used descriptions like 'independent journalist' or 'blogger' in an attempt to separate myself from the pack.

What a terrible situation to be in, having to defend yourself because of your profession. I've always said that the hardest thing about embedding (besides leaving my family) is wearing the badge that says 'PRESS.' That hasn't changed. I hide the badge whenever I can get away with it.

This isn't the first time I encountered this sentiment from the troops. I experienced this attitude from the Marines while I was in western Iraq last year, and the soldiers in the Canadian Army in Afghanistan also expressed frustration with the media's presentation of the war.

Perhaps this tension between the media and the military is nothing new. But it appalls me none the less.


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To: Roccus; StoneWall Brigade

RUSH (Paraphrased from yesterday): Aren't we (the Baker commission)
brave to make demands from our allies, while we placate our enemies?


241 posted on 12/07/2006 10:52:40 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: mewzilla

I remember that...he wrote them to announce his candidacy to the POTUS position..and told them how he would look forward to working with them or something...LOL


242 posted on 12/07/2006 10:52:56 AM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

I'm much lower than Snowshoe. Not much accumulation, maybe 1/2 inch so far, but big, wind driven flakes and lots of 'em.


243 posted on 12/07/2006 10:52:57 AM PST by Roccus (Dealing with Politicians IS the War on Terror.)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Thanks!


244 posted on 12/07/2006 10:53:11 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: llevrok

As along as it dosent effect the Super Bowl or any Award show


245 posted on 12/07/2006 10:53:36 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Happy 200th Birthday Robert E. LEE)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Miller/Williams...I knew it was one of them.


246 posted on 12/07/2006 10:53:45 AM PST by hattend (Carpe Macaca)
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To: MNJohnnie; All
SO GLAD I voted for Joe!
The only one up there saying: "SAY WHAT?!?!"
247 posted on 12/07/2006 10:53:51 AM PST by ct_libertarian (We inbellyfeel Democrat duckspeak doubleplusgood! AmSoc! AmSoc! Doubleplusgood!)
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To: Txsleuth

Your so full of it O'Connor. Retire.


248 posted on 12/07/2006 10:53:51 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: guinnessman

Thanks!


249 posted on 12/07/2006 10:53:54 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: Roccus

Yeah same here


250 posted on 12/07/2006 10:54:05 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Happy 200th Birthday Robert E. LEE)
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To: Kerretarded

Don't get me wrong. Our guys were as fantastic as the Yanks, Russians or anyone else who was there fighting against Hitler.

But, sadly, the British interest in freedom seems to end after every election.
The attitude is "ok, they're in now, we'll wake up again in 5 years or so".

To illustrate it; 20 million Americans are listening to Rush talk about major world issues now.
LBC (London's talk station) is discussing whether there are too many traffic cones in the city right now.


251 posted on 12/07/2006 10:54:33 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: MarkLevinFan

Yhello


252 posted on 12/07/2006 10:54:37 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Happy 200th Birthday Robert E. LEE)
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To: Kerretarded

Fortify the border like the DMZ in Korea. But then I don't know how much cross border life there is. Don't know if that is possible. Frankly I think Rummy may of been right in his memo. Maybe if we simply seal the borders for them the Iraqis can handle internal security. That and focus the Seals, Delta etc on wasting the Terrorist cells in Anbar.


253 posted on 12/07/2006 10:54:56 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: malia
2002- Senator Jay Rockefeller took a trip by himself (his own admission) before the start of the war in Iraq and secretly told Syria who is allied with Saddam Hussein that the United States was going to war with Iraq. From National Review:

Can we NOW question their patriotism?
254 posted on 12/07/2006 10:55:03 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I thought she was going to take care of her husband?

She must really hate Bush--I guess this is payback for Bush not naming another woman to replace her.


255 posted on 12/07/2006 10:55:49 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: llevrok
So do we need another Pearl to wake up that American mass? My answer is yes, sadly

I have to agree with you, llevrok, also sadly. That being the case, the target that they missed taking out on 9/11 was the Capitol and, while I do not wish anyone's death, if there is a bunch that we can do without, well...

256 posted on 12/07/2006 10:55:56 AM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

That seems to have gone quiet.
There wasn't a word about it at PMQ yesterday.

The great British public have gone back to sleep.


257 posted on 12/07/2006 10:56:20 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: MNJohnnie
Seems the only thing with a shorter less successful flight time then a North Korean missile is John McCain's for President 2008 liftoff.

ROFL! You guys are killing me!!! I needed that especially after a dreadful news day yesterday.....
258 posted on 12/07/2006 10:56:55 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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To: MNJohnnie; Kerretarded
They also gave us Catherina Zeta Jones and Elizabeth Hurley

One for two ain't bad:

****


259 posted on 12/07/2006 10:58:05 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: UKRaddell

Will the UK public ever wake up to the fact, that universal health care stinks?


260 posted on 12/07/2006 10:58:15 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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