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Should the Unborn be Considered Human?
12/06/2006 | Matthew Brazil

Posted on 12/06/2006 10:56:00 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Ultra Sonic 007

An aborted acorn can still sprout and grow to it's full potential. An aborted human baby is robbed of all his/her potential.


101 posted on 12/06/2006 5:29:53 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( Is not death also victory in a war against an abomination so vile you could never live with it?)
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To: greccogirl

They have so much to learn. Those babies will be in heaven but unless the moms get right with the Lord, they will not be seeing them again. I believe abortion for ANY reason is wrong. God creates that child and only He has the right to decide if it lives or dies. No aborted child dies the second death.


102 posted on 12/06/2006 5:38:28 PM PST by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: Frank Sheed
The biggest argument of the pro-abortion folks is that it can't be considered a human being yet because it has not departed its mother's womb.

And if there could ever be a valid excuse for abortion, this is NOT it. It is the most ignorant thing to even put breathe into. The fact is, there is no valid excuse for any abortion. It's all just a lot of "who shot John".

103 posted on 12/06/2006 5:45:58 PM PST by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: presidio9

No A grade yet.


104 posted on 12/06/2006 5:59:41 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEYMANS MY POKEYMANS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Science is clear and unequivocable: zygotes are human life. They have all the individualized human DNA they will ever have. They are alive (and burgeoning with vitality).

Therefore, they are human beings.


105 posted on 12/06/2006 6:52:47 PM PST by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: cpforlife.org

The answer is yes.


106 posted on 12/06/2006 7:43:01 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

At the very least, the human embryo is more like the *germinated* oak tree than the acorn. And, by day 10 to 14, it's hatched, as well.

Watching the changing definitions and necessary and sufficient conditions for any of us to be deemed human enough to be afforded the protection against infringement of the right not to be killed (going all the way to allowing an infinite number of meanings of the universe, per the Supreme Court in Casey), an observant being would just about have to assume we're dealing with a fairly significant group of entities. It might be that all of us who have this conversation, and all members of our species are "human enough."
(good job, by the way)


107 posted on 12/06/2006 7:50:05 PM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Those are conditions that I often hear from Pro-Abortion advocates.

??? I am not sure what you mean... I spoke of no conditions, I was merely suggesting that whether the fetus is human or not is a matter of dictionary definition not arguable opinion.

108 posted on 12/06/2006 7:50:36 PM PST by mwilli20
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To: Frank Sheed
As such, human babies are totally dependent on their parents for years as anybody with children knows fully well.

Yep, it's amazing just how specious the arguments of the pro-aborts are, but they still cling to them ferociously.

109 posted on 12/06/2006 8:20:50 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

**Should the Unborn be Considered Human?**

Absolutely!


110 posted on 12/06/2006 8:53:59 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

You got it right!
Here's something you may not know: at the moment of fertilization of an egg, the fused sperm and egg conceptus has already decided the front and back of the baby's body: The point at which the sperm entered the egg becomes the front, and the opposite side becomes the back. At 4 weeks of development, the baby already has a heart which is generating impulses for a heartbeat, and cells have moved from the top of the baby down to its gonads to become either eggs or sperm so that baby can have a baby.

Embryology is just utterly fascinating proof that evolution could not possibly have accounted for our development: cells divide in a fetus with a plan to make a human.


111 posted on 12/06/2006 9:23:39 PM PST by skippermd
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To: mwilli20

I know. But instead of accepting the dictionary definition and the science behind the unborn's humanity, the pro-aborts grasp at these varied "conditions" and try to turn the topic on its head with "arguable opinion", as you put it.

Little do they know that their arguments, when taken to their logical extent, fall to pieces.


112 posted on 12/06/2006 9:29:40 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEYMANS MY POKEYMANS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; blu; cgk; ...
PING!

FYI - This essay is not about education, but I'm pinging you to it because it was written by a student on our list who is now in college. Thought you all might be interested. (Congratulations again, Ultra Sonic!)

113 posted on 12/06/2006 9:50:39 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Frwy

It's just amazing how pro-abortion types have dropped all pretense (a lot of them anyway) that an unborn baby is being killed. They're not that dumb, they already know. They just don't care. What a sad world we live in.


114 posted on 12/06/2006 10:12:01 PM PST by greccogirl
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I was just being sarcastic. The unborn have no rights to be heard much less the right to vote and of course if they did there would be no abortions. Democratic Party in their insatiable appetite to increase their voter base would then favor anti abortion instead of abortion on demand.


115 posted on 12/07/2006 4:11:57 AM PST by Rock N Jones
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To: Darkwolf377

Read this and tell me how you can be an atheist

Your pro-Christmas pro-baby friend. :D


116 posted on 12/07/2006 4:54:18 AM PST by Shimmer128 ( My beloved is mine and I am his. Song of Solomon 2:16)
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To: Sloth
I see your point as possibly the number one most dangerous trait of liberals....'the ends justifies the means' way of thinking lulls some into doing some very horrible things and others into ignoring those things.
117 posted on 12/07/2006 6:32:17 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Shimmer128
Read this and tell me how you can be an atheist

I see nothing in that post that would convince me not to be an atheist.
118 posted on 12/07/2006 9:42:55 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
I am about to read your paper, but want to preceed my reading with this thought on the title:

Would the question, "Should the unborn be considered human?" even be relevant if not for the presence of a viable market segment for human abortion?

Now reading your essay...

119 posted on 12/07/2006 9:13:14 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
“An EMBRYO is no more equal to a BABY than an ACORN is to an OAK. Each has the POTENTIAL to become the actuality of the other.” This seems to make sense; treating an embryo as a complete human doesn’t seem logical, as the embryo is incapable of utilizing his potential like an adult human can. However, upon closer inspection, there appear to be some problems with these claims.

There is a major problem here, one which demonstrates the lack of though of pro-choicers starving for utilitarian gain. Consider ONE. ONE enjoins mathematics and philosophy. ONE CELL. ONE PRINCIPLE - a life-substance. That substance contains within itself the blueprint for its entire life development process. This is different, BTW, from a property thing like (to use the example from The Silent Subject) a Ford Aerostar. The latter is designed and built externally. It does not contain within each element of itself information about the whole.

That life-substance does not somehow change ontologically (that is, in its nature of being) based on the number of cells that comprise it. It retains the ONE PRINCPLE of a life-substance, which principle was present the moment the process of conception finished. "Fetus", "Embryo", "Infant", and "Toddler" (like "Acorn", "Sapling", and "Tree") are merely ideas the human psyche superimposes on the actual, objective reality. The ideas themselves do not modify objective ontological reality. Many pro-choicers, esp. the nominal sort who haven't thought deeply about the issue, apparently get tripped up here: they believe that their choice of ideas somehow modify objective reality.

There are enough philosophical arguments to fill a novel, so now it’s time to look at the question from a different, more culturally relevant angle. After ROE v. WADE was decided in favor of the plaintiff Jane Roe, Justice Blackmun delivered the opinion of the Supreme Court. He noted that any law proscribing abortion “that excepts from criminality only a lifesaving procedure on behalf of the mother, without regard to pregnancy stage and without recognition of the other interests involved, is violative of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

Blackmun is 180 degrees out of phase in his conclusion. While he is correct to cite the Fourteenth Amendment, allowing two parties to conspire to dismember and thus kill the unborn child violates the child's right to due process.

Very well-written paper. You've put much thought and I dare say a good bit of research into this, and that is what we sorely need - thinkers. My sincere kudos for a job well done.

120 posted on 12/07/2006 9:39:27 PM PST by Lexinom
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