New York City first in U.S. to ban artificial trans fats in restaurant food.

MSNBC ^

[Smogger]

New York City first in U.S. to ban artificial trans fats in restaurant food.

[383rr]

Good cartoons.

[pleikumud]

I understand that Jews in Nazi Germany did the same thing: watched their freedom being taken away, living in denial that they were losing their freedom, until it was too late and they faced "the final solution". Government in the U.S. is involved in too many aspects of our daily, private lives. Congress, for example, thinks citizens are too dumb to plan their own retirement or medical care, so it has forced upon us Socialist Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. You MUST participate in all three, either through payroll deduction or taxation.

[xowboy]

Why? Don't you have any self-control?? Don't want it --Don't Consume it? Whay would we need a law? Geez?

[xowboy]

Just that it will not stop w/NYC----!!!!

[unixfox]

New York gets EXACTLY what they want. More government, more control over their lives, more taxes, more laws, etc,etc,etc.

Socialism seems to be what they want, I say give em ALL of it.

[SheLion]

Good cartoons.

They say "a picture is worth a thousand words," right???  :)

[xowboy]

You should have deliverd your child directly into a glass tube and placed them on the mantle in your home---it's the only place there is NO RISK.

[70times7]

Well, the solution is obvious - tell them to come for misguided libritarions first, and then brace youslf for the outcry of protest from the hookers, pervs, dope smokers, roid rage iron pumpers, mickey-d's customers and drunks. And oh yes, Howard would probably speak out, but the folks who both 1)listen to him on pay radio and 2) would actually actively protest must number up there in double digits.

Freedom requires responsibility on the part of those who are free. Our government is breaking down to the nanny state you and I hate precisely because of those who are foolish and/or misguided enough to believe freedom means do anything you want. The more you fight to promote debauched irresponsibility the more government intervention we will get. People must grow up and restrain themselves or be restrained. Simple choice.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[elkfersupper]

People must grow up and restrain themselves or be restrained. Simple choice.

Uh.....No, thanks.

[70times7]

In case you were not trying to be humorous/sarcastic:

I expect you have absolutely no reservations about driving through a school zone at 70 mph? It would also be no problem for you if I decided to hold a home invasion at your place? Got any nice stuff? (please be sure now to tell me to "come on" so you can shoot me. lol - I plan better than that)

[elkfersupper]

Your example involves an object actually being used as a weapon.

I see no reference to inanimate objects or consumables.

[Eric Blair 2084]

I think I understand what you are saying.

If we are going to function as a society and live together, there has to be SOME RULES and boundries. Otherwise we have anarchy. That's the only thought holding me back from being a full blown Libertarian.

Maybe where we differ slightly is my one requirement for functioning in a free society is: DON'T HARM ANYONE ELSE.

And if the Gubmint claims you are harming someone, it better be irrefutable and without question...no junk science or bogus studies about SHS allowed.

Otherwise, liberals can conjure up a multitude of reasons as to why your freedoms should be curtailed.

After all, if that Bacon Double Cheeseburger you're eating causes Type 2 Diabetes you are driving up MY/OUR health care premiums and taxes to pay for your care. Now you are no longer hurting only yourself, you're hurting me too.

That's going to be (is) their argument. The slippery slope just had a 659 gallon bucket of KY dumped on it.

[70times7]

Oh, now there are rules against weapons? Silly me. How about if I just walk up and pummel the daylights out of you or someone else just for fun? A person need not restrain a desire for drugs or sex or whatever you say, but if I want to take your stuff then Uh Uh Uhhh, naughty naughty! Why? Because you say "A" is ok, but "B" should be out of bounds?

Tell ya what, when I invade your home if you don't resist I will not shoot you. You may have to put in some overtime to cover the deductable, but file the claim and you will get it all back. Presto - the "victimless crime"! Those are Ok and you should be happy now.

I was discussing the overarching issue of a nanny state government and how we, as a society, bring it on ourselves. You took issue with a particular statement sans context. If you want to limit the discussion to some list that you believe helps your argument have fun; seems pointless to me with such constraints so count me out.

[70times7]

Exactly, and those rules and boundries go well beyound what is legal and illegal. Our problem is that too many people now think that good and bad, right and wrong (if they even exist) are deliniated by law and how it can be bent to one's whim. Because of that we are out of control as a society.

[elkfersupper]

I like the old definition of "crime" - physical or monetary harm to people or property.

[momfirst]

The most some of the new schools can do it put stuff in the warming tray.

I know exactly what you're saying, it's really, just, well, weird to see what they serve in the school cafeterias. It's all still-packaged "something" that the kids grab off the piping hot tray and place onto their plate. The lunch lady doesn't even touch the food. Slides the tray into and out of the warmer, that's about it.

My kids bring their lunches, they hate the stuff there. It's just....weird.

[70times7]

I like the old definition of "crime" - physical or monetary harm to people or property.

Ahh - good. So as long as long as there is no physical harm rape is a-ok. Where in the world did you get that definition? Be careful... with that structure you are placing a lot of responsibility on people to restrain themselves regarding things that are not illegal, but are unacceptable - old definitions and all, don't cha know.

[toddlintown]

Now I'll feel safer eating non trans-fat buttered popcorn while walking around Harlem at 3 A.M.

[70times7]

Last night the TV was droning as I was reading. I didn't bother to turn it off as "The Biggest Looser" was doing a bit regarding overweight high school kids. The trainer reviewed everything that was being served in one high school; pizza, fries, donuts, cinnamon rolls etc. The school said their effort to move to healthier food involved changing to turkey pepperioni on a pizza with wheat crust. Laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. The trainer looked straight into the camera and said there wasn't anything being served that he would eat. For heaven's sake, the vegetable of the day was tater tots.

My kids take their lunches also. Some of their peers who know better are envious at the copious amounts of delicious healthy food they get to consume.