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Facing wine glut, Europe's vintners distil wine into industrial alcohol
canada.com ^ | November 30, 2006 | Jenny Barchfield

Posted on 11/30/2006 8:08:16 PM PST by quantim

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To: garyhope
Romanee Conti.

Don't worry, you're DRC is safe it just may be harder to get as less of little is imported.

Some math fun:

But as more wine is distilled each year - reaching 2.8 billion litres in 2005

That translates to some 739,681,743 gallons US, liquid or about 100,000,000 cubic feet.

Nice lake.

21 posted on 11/30/2006 8:56:46 PM PST by quantim (Ebola virus equivalent => Senators that think they're Presidential material)
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To: toddlintown

Easy, yeasts convert sugar into alcohol via fermentation and then a distillation process separates that same alcohol.


22 posted on 11/30/2006 9:02:52 PM PST by quantim (Ebola virus equivalent => Senators that think they're Presidential material)
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To: quantim

No Einstein. I don't understand why they don't distill the wine and make it into a more profitable product. I understand the fermentation/distilliation processes.


23 posted on 11/30/2006 9:05:26 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: toddlintown

Vodka's traditionally potato likker. (hic!)


24 posted on 11/30/2006 9:05:54 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

"Vodka's traditionally potato likker"

An urban legend. Vodka is typically made from grain. You can find some Eastern European countries that use potato, you can also find some vodkas made from grapes.

The notion that vodka is made from (only) potatoes is wrong.


25 posted on 11/30/2006 9:08:53 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: org.whodat

I didn't think of that. The millions of turbaned goatherds flooding Western Europe are prohibited from drinking alcohol. That does put a dent in the market.


26 posted on 11/30/2006 9:09:25 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: quantim

As someone who at one time loved French wine, I have to say that I wouldn't drink French wine if given to me for free. I also harangue my local wine shop for selling it. I don't know if it has done some good or because people prefer wines from other countries, but the shop's stock of the stuff has gone way down. This pleases me much more than any glass of French wine with my dinner ever did.


27 posted on 11/30/2006 9:20:07 PM PST by publana (yes, I checked the preview box without previewing)
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To: toddlintown

I was under the impression that White Lightning can be distilled from virtually anything, that its what you do with the stuff after you distill it that turns it into vodka, gin, whiskey, rye, etc.

Am I right (more or less)?


28 posted on 11/30/2006 9:25:52 PM PST by sinanju (s)
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To: toddlintown

>>>I don't understand this. You can distill wine into brandy, or something that's becoming more popular, into vodka.

I agree. In addition, the Asians don't drink wine frequently but they do drink brandy.

It seems most Asians are allergic to alcoholic drinks or don't tolerate them well.

The solution to France's problem is simple: require all Muslim ceremonies to use wine. I no longer drink French wines and have a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon from the Socialist Republic of California sitting by my keyboard right now. I used to drink Chilean wines until I read that they had the highest pesticide content.

I hope to start making some fruit wines for myself soon.


29 posted on 11/30/2006 9:32:32 PM PST by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: toddlintown
No Einstein. I don't understand why they don't distill the wine and make it into a more profitable product.

Yes, Einstein, what part of the title is confusing to you?

30 posted on 11/30/2006 9:33:00 PM PST by quantim (Ebola virus equivalent => Senators that think they're Presidential material)
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To: DeFault User
I stayed in a farmhouse B&B in Tuscany a few years ago. Meals were served outdoors at a communal table in a sort of covered bower or patio. The owner's son made a pretty decent wine from their own grapes, and poured oceans of it to the guests. There was no extra charge and you could drink as much as you could hold. In fact, if he saw your glass getting low, he would fill it up, and simply would not take no for an answer. My lovely wife got very drunk, which is most unlike her--- (wicked grin) -- What a great vacation!

-ccm

31 posted on 11/30/2006 9:44:11 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: quantim
vintage wine is being transformed into alcohol

In Italy call that same crap "Grappa" and charge up the ying-yang for it.


32 posted on 11/30/2006 10:39:13 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Note: Sell Diebold Stock.................NOW!!)
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To: quantim
"...instead of a chilled Chardonnay or robust Pinot Noir, both regional specialties, he was having a beer."


33 posted on 11/30/2006 11:16:09 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: quantim

Bttt!


34 posted on 11/30/2006 11:26:34 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Billthedrill
Wine? The French are making wine now? Who knew?

John Kerry knew, he spent his boyhood summers there.

Hey did you know John Kerry was in Viet Nam? He got a couple Purple Hearts there.

Who knew?

35 posted on 11/30/2006 11:57:08 PM PST by Pontiac (All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
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To: quantim
"When the Chinese really get into wine, demand for our product is going to explode to the point where if we cut back today, we might not be able to fill it," de Longevialle said.

What makes the French believe for a second they can compete with amazing products coming from Australia and Chile or excellent vintages from California? Heck, I even adore Austrailian "Lindeman's" which is pretty cheap stuff, but an exceptionally palettable wine which will go with anything (at least their merlot.)

And I've said before, if there's a Chinese market to exploit, count on the Chinese to exploit it. The day after the first bottle of fine French spew lands in China, they will chemically break it down and produce a kool-aid based equivalent that will sell at 1/10 the price and taste better.

The French need to reconcile themselves with the fact that their arrogance helped to kill their market. They PO'd their customers in the US and now the free market has filled the void for people who no longer buy French. All those "wine protests" in the USA? That wasn't wine pouring, that was their industry's "blood" running down the drain. Those people found new brands and it's likely they enjoy them more than more expensive French brands. Those customers won't be returning, at least any time soon. Yet it's more than that...

Euro demographics are shifting tremendously as socialists slowly destroy European culture with uninhibited immigration policies permitting millions of non-Euros move in and not assimilate to Euro culture. The new folks don't drink French spew, they think it's filth. PC social laws have been implemented that further curtail wine consumption creating a group-think mentality againts the older culture of frequent consumption.

In short, socialist policies don't have room for wine, and the vintners are SOL if they think that's going to change any time soon. France had a nice run since we saved them in WWII. Too bad they didn't do anything with their last chance.

36 posted on 12/01/2006 1:36:57 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
It seems most Asians are allergic to alcoholic drinks or don't tolerate them well.

Guess they use their brains for other things, like kicking our @sses silly on trade agreements. : (

Now pass the bottle, please - lol!

37 posted on 12/01/2006 1:42:11 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
"I used to drink Chilean wines until I read that they had the highest pesticide content."

They also have higher concentrations of resveratrol. Seems the more "distressed" a grape is, especially in a mountainous region, the higher the contentration.
38 posted on 12/01/2006 4:26:23 AM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: sinanju

White Lightening ia really nothing more than the first distillation of anything that has been fermented. Legit alky is normally made from grain, mashed and then fermented. It's the same process used to make beer. As a matter of fact, distillers refer to the fermented liquid as "beer" before it's distilled.

The popular handbooks for WL recipes usually use cane sugar since it's so simple to use (just open up a bag -- pour into water and add yeast) and readily available.

Ciroc Vodka (French) is made from grapes and CNN reports that the French, indeed, are distilling some of their grape runnings into vodka http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/11/20/grape.vodka/

I have the feeling this article is a bit of hooey. I also don't understand how they classify the alcohol as "industrial?" It's the same alcohol that could be used as vodka or further processed into brandy, cognac or even gin.


39 posted on 12/01/2006 4:42:41 AM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Grappa is made from the leftover grape skins and even seed, in other words, all the garbage that's left over after pressing the grape juice for fermentation into wine. They used to feed this stuff to pigs.

I've drank $80 a bottle grappa, and as I like to say, "Grappa is crappa." Benzine is smoother.


40 posted on 12/01/2006 4:47:37 AM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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