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Climate change clues in sky (super-cooled water found at -30 C scraps last week's model!)
Seattle P/I ^ | 26 November, 2006 | Beth Duff-Brown

Posted on 11/28/2006 7:21:31 AM PST by theBuckwheat

EUREKA, Nunavut Territory -- Scientists are peering into the clouds near the top of the world, trying to solve a mystery and learn something new about global warming.

The mystery is the droplets of water in the clouds. With the North Pole just 685 miles away, they should be frozen, yet more of them are liquid than anyone expected.

So the scientists working out of a converted blue cargo container are trying to determine whether the clouds are one of the causes - or effects - of Earth's warming atmosphere.

"Much to our surprise, we found that Arctic clouds have got lots of super-cooled liquid water in them. Liquid water has even been detected in clouds at temperatures as low as minus 30 degrees Celsius (minus 22 F)," said Taneil Uttal, chief of the Clouds and Arctic Research Group at the Earth Systems Research Laboratory of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

"If a cloud is composed of liquid water droplets in the Arctic, instead of ice crystals, then that changes how they will interact with the earth's surface and the atmosphere to reflect, absorb and transmit radiation," said Uttal.

"It's a new science, driven by the fact that everybody doing climate predictions says that clouds are perhaps the single greatest unknown factor in understanding global warming."...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atmosphere; climatechange; globallukewarming
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It takes 80 calories/gram of heat to change water from solid to liquid and 540 calories/gram to go from liquid to vapor. The heat flow from phase change is possibly the most important mechanism to understand how heat is stored and moved around in the atmosphere.

It is obvious by a story like this one, that science still is learning significant facts about how the atmosphere operates. It is thus doubly foolish for anyone to propose, let alone accept, ideas for "fixing" any climate change that may be (and I stress may) taking place. That those who are frantically advancing worries and handwringing about so-called "global warming" are not slowed down in the slightest by any recent discoveries about the atmosphere tells us all we really need to know about their proposals.

We naturally are suspicious when Big Tobacco funds studies about the safety of cigarettes. We should be just as suspicious when Big Government funds any science. We only have to look at how grantees propose to increase the size and power of government to "solve" climate change to verify our suspicions.

1 posted on 11/28/2006 7:21:35 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

Global warming is just a tool of the leftists in their attempt to gain control. Science is secondary and only useful when it supports their agenda. This information will be completely ignored by them.


2 posted on 11/28/2006 7:41:39 AM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: theBuckwheat

With the most recent discoveries, some are crying "EUREKA", but I believe Nunavut.


3 posted on 11/28/2006 7:47:03 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: saganite

In a recent argument with a liberal about global warming the liberal claimed that the spread of disease was the result of global warming. She cited a CDC study that removed the people moving around factor from the equation.

She went ballistic when I called the study "garbage" due to the removal of an important factor. Real science doesn't simply remove factors to achieve a desired result. Real science includes all factors and cautiously accepts the results and continues to conduct tests until there is either confirmation or acceptance that the results are inconclusive.


4 posted on 11/28/2006 7:58:37 AM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: saganite

Anchorage has suffered thru unseasonably cold (well, for us anyway) for the last 30 days.

I, for one, am ready for a little global warming. At least to get things back to 'normal'.

Normal? Well hete it is daytime 25, nite 10 - last 30 days daytime 0 to 8, nite, -10 to -20.


5 posted on 11/28/2006 7:59:16 AM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: saganite

With the collapse of Marxism in the last century, "environmentalism" probably attracted some leftist nutjobs.


6 posted on 11/28/2006 8:04:44 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: theBuckwheat

I'm one of the minority of freepers who thinks that global warming may be being caused by humans.

However,I'm not going into this issue with a set of ideological blinders. I'll let my views evolve as we understand more of the science. Articles like this one are useful for pointing out how much we still have to learn about climate change.

Despite the undercertainty about science change, I still advocate research toward getting away from using gasoline. Let's say we go to nuclear power and fuel cells and ethanol and discover that global warming wasn't a threat after all. Nevetheless, we would have still bankrupted the Saudis and the Iranians.


7 posted on 11/28/2006 8:06:41 AM PST by Our man in washington
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To: theBuckwheat

I don't know much science, and you sound like you do.

Do you think we even have global warming occurring?


8 posted on 11/28/2006 8:08:12 AM PST by secretagent
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To: ASOC

I live in the Midwest. When it comes to "Global Warming" (especially from Nov to March)---I say, "BRING IT ON"!!!


9 posted on 11/28/2006 8:08:57 AM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: theBuckwheat
There have been reports of supercooled naturally occurring water floating around for decades. Check the AGU publications. This appears to be another instance. As far as I recall, note was ever observed in nature.

However, extremely pure water in the right ionic configuration might be able to be supercooled. -Just maybe.
10 posted on 11/28/2006 8:09:45 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends we need a 800 ship Navy.)
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To: ASOC

Where's "here?"


11 posted on 11/28/2006 8:10:32 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: theBuckwheat
I am always amazed at how the global warming crapola omits the obvious. The sun controls the Earth's weather, not man.

But look at it this way, if we broke it, then surly we have the power to fix it. So why worry.
12 posted on 11/28/2006 8:10:49 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: ASOC

Whoops...have to read the entire post.

Anchorage.


13 posted on 11/28/2006 8:10:50 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: theBuckwheat

bookmark for later.


14 posted on 11/28/2006 8:11:32 AM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: ClearCase_guy
"With the most recent discoveries, some are crying "EUREKA", but I believe Nunavut."

I know you think you're just letting off some steam, but posts like that can be very polarizing.

15 posted on 11/28/2006 8:13:05 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: ASOC
The Green Bay Packers were unable to deal with the global warming phase changed water, (snow storm), during last nights game in Seattle!

Slamblowe snowshowers are an urban legend. Just ask Dallas Cowboy great Don Meredith! If Green Bay had had Alglobal on the sidelines they would have been able to deal with this climate change!

16 posted on 11/28/2006 8:23:49 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: theBuckwheat

In other words, our puny human minds still don't know jack.


17 posted on 11/28/2006 8:29:26 AM PST by vpintheak (Yep.)
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To: Tarpon
The sun controls the Earth's weather, not man.

It's a combination of the sun, the earth's axis and orbit, and the cycles of the ocean current and jet stream, mingled with the occasional rare catastrophic event.

But you can't get a lifetime government-funded job by saying this.

18 posted on 11/28/2006 8:33:23 AM PST by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: theBuckwheat

They must not have received the Algore memo.


19 posted on 11/28/2006 8:36:00 AM PST by Joy in the Journey (http://journeywithjoy.blogspot.com/)
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To: theBuckwheat

The medieval warming period was warmer than now, according to information we have. But that doesn't fit the Luddite global warming religion, so it's simply ignored.


20 posted on 11/28/2006 8:36:09 AM PST by TBP
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