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Grapes of wrath for French vineyards as millions of bottles are destroyed
The Scotsman ^ | November 28, 2006 | JENNY BARCHFIELD

Posted on 11/27/2006 11:34:11 PM PST by MadIvan

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To: MinorityRepublican

Can't agree with you on that one! Many people in the south drink wine and serve multiple wines at casual gatherings.


81 posted on 11/28/2006 4:42:10 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Probably 10% of Americans who used to buy French wine are now buying alternative bottles from Australia, Spain, Chile, and California

Europe's indigenous wine-drinking populations are on the wane, too. The burgeoning Muslim population isn't really the best demographic for wine sales.

82 posted on 11/28/2006 4:42:11 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Joe Boucher

Exactly: Muslims drink as much as anybody else, just not usually in public.


83 posted on 11/28/2006 4:42:43 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: MadIvan

Les Sour Grapes...


84 posted on 11/28/2006 4:57:53 AM PST by FDNYRHEROES (Always bring a liberal to a gunfight)
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To: ME-262; jonrick46
Ok, ok, trash the French, trash the French wine, I can join in the fun. Trash the French food and we part ways. ;-)

Unless I was in France I wouldn't buy French bread either. True french bread has NO oil and must be eaten within about 12 hours of when it is made or you could use it for stick ball. It also takes two days to make properly.

The name French fries comes from the 'cut' of the potato and not the country. It's actually a thicker form of the julienne cut. IIRC - they were first made in Italy.

BTW - love the rant

'La bonne cuisine est la base du véritable bonheur.' - Auguste Escoffier
(Good food is the foundation of genuine happiness.)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

85 posted on 11/28/2006 4:58:05 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: GreyFriar
Once they start drinking American root beer, then you know you've conquered.

Regards, Ivan

86 posted on 11/28/2006 4:59:48 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
I was thinking of the American's boycott of all things French may have something to do with this.

Then, I saw your comment. LOL!

87 posted on 11/28/2006 5:21:38 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: wouldntbprudent
Exactly: Muslims drink as much as anybody else, just not usually in public.

Actually, they don't. In western countries they're not teetotalers (especially the younger set). But as a group they do not buy or drink as much alcohol as non-Muslims.

Not even close.

Drinkers tend to think all non-drinkers drink "in private." That's not an accurate judgment.

88 posted on 11/28/2006 5:25:47 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: DCPatriot

We have boycotted anything French for the last 3 years. Don't miss any of it. Especially their crappy wine (whine?).


89 posted on 11/28/2006 5:33:31 AM PST by rippingmyhairout (Some things that make you go "hmmmmmm")
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To: MadIvan

The solution to what is basically a mental problem is pretty obvious. The Euros need to convince the large Islamic population to take up wine drinking.


90 posted on 11/28/2006 5:34:44 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Rozerem commercials give me nightmares)
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To: rippingmyhairout

I really don't go out of my way to avoid things French...happily it just seems to work out that way


91 posted on 11/28/2006 5:40:11 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: MadIvan
When the Chinese really get into wine, demand for our product is going to explode to the point where if we cut back today, we might not be able to fill it

They better not hold their breath. Their Beaujolais Nouveau marketing splash in Japan this year was a complete flop from what I could gather speaking with Japanese friends while I was in Japan. The marketing push was non-existent in China, even in the four-star hotels and five-star restaurants I went to in cosmopolitan Shanghai.

When the most Westernized portions of Japan and China turn up their noses at Beaujolais Nouveau, it is pure delusion to think these markets will save the French wine producers in general, and Beaujolais Nouveau in particular (the one cited in the article). In China and Japan, beer is what the vast majority of restaurant goers drink, with various domestically-produced cheap wines (think stuff like rice and plum wines selling for $8 USD per 750 ml) coming in second place, and anything over $10 USD per 750 ml simply reserved for special occassions.

I think wouldntbprudent's observation was very perceptive; French producers didn't perform their market research diligently enough. It is true that there are people who can distinguish a qualitative difference between wines produced in France and other nations. Furthermore, it is true that there are such people who prefer French wine at almost any premium markup. Those people are not who pay for the majority of the French wine industry's output. Those people might be influencers, but the crucial marketing insight the industry missed is that those influencers by and large are listened to after a decision is made to drink French wine, not before a decision is made to drink wine at all. Yet it is these same influencers who the industry spends an inordinate amount of energy and resources courting.

My guess is the French wine industry can rebound if they replace the mystique that only French wine is worth the experience of wine with another mystique that recognizes the vast majority of their output is bought by people who want to have a good time, but not necessarily a good time that revolves solely around the wine.

92 posted on 11/28/2006 5:48:47 AM PST by tyen
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To: MadIvan
California wine is too good and too cheap for me to buy French wine...though I will buy the occasional bottle of Warre's or Sandeman's as the fall deepens into winter.

Of course, that's not French either.

I've developed a tasted for North Carolina wines, too, particularly Duplin winery's revival of the last-century muscadine and scuppernong styles...these are made from grape stocks (Vitis rotundifolia) native to the carolinas, and have a distinctive flavor.

I suspect if I were restricted only to the wines made in my own state, I would not suffer overmuch. Then again, I'm just a journeyman drinker of wines, not an oenophile.

93 posted on 11/28/2006 5:54:58 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: MadIvan
I wonder if the American boycott has something to do with this as well?

I know that in our home, we only buy wines/spirits from willing members of the Coalition, especially Italy and Australia.

94 posted on 11/28/2006 5:55:11 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: MadIvan
"I wonder if the American boycott has something to do with this as well?"

I don't how much people really "boycott" French wines, but I purchase a fair amount of wine, and I hardly ever wander over to the French aisle. I'm in the reserves and the PX has this awesome deal on a California wine called Searidge for $3.95 a bottle. My palate tells me its in the 10-12 dollar range.

95 posted on 11/28/2006 5:57:38 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: MadIvan
About the only wine I drink anymore is a Zenfendel Port.

If the French made a good one of those I might consider buying one for $20 or $30 a bottle.

The best Zenfendel Port I ever had was from a California winery, Ledson.

96 posted on 11/28/2006 5:58:17 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Dallas59
Muslims don't drink wine

Baptists don't drink either.

97 posted on 11/28/2006 5:58:52 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: MadIvan
Once the muslims control Europe all vineyards will be destroyed.

50 Years.
98 posted on 11/28/2006 5:59:21 AM PST by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: AppyPappy; Dallas59
Baptists don't drink either.

Q: What's the primary difference between a Baptist and a Methodist?

A: The Methodist will talk to you in a liquor store.

99 posted on 11/28/2006 6:06:13 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Don't forget the Virginia wines!


100 posted on 11/28/2006 6:06:50 AM PST by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de America, invasor!)
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