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To: LisaMalia; Tax-chick; bornacatholic; sittnick; Oberon; ninenot; Convert from ECUSA
If you were actually trying to answer point by point my previous post, I invite anyone interested in the controversy to review my #655 and form their own opinion as to whether you succeeded. I don't think so! Here, I will show you how to do that.

That post at #655 was not at all rambling just an example of what those who were NOT dumped into public school babysitting institutions can do with actual education.

Your daughter is not bellyaching. OK, conceded that it is her mommy that does the whining for her never suspecting that boodgeum's choice of employers is the source of her misery. If she was not whining to you, you would not be whining on her behalf here.

In gummint skewels supported by the thievery of taxation, paychecks and perks and pensions are fat in exchange for minimal production. If your daughter can do better elsewhere financially, then she should flee the useless sinking ship of public education and do better elsewhere.

The late professor Russell Kirk, a conservative who could distinguish between trash posing as education and actual education in what he termed the "permanent things" (which would include mathematics) would have derided any Big Ten school as "Humungous State University" which was not a compliment (for those intellectually hamstrung by public education).

I can respect a bachelor's degree in math but never a master's degree in "math education." The first is substance (depending upon the program). The second is useless and professionally incestuous fluff (and a waste of tuition money). What on earth is "Poly. Sci"???? Political Science (Poli Sci) or some description of many sciences (Poly. Sci????) In any event, in the former instance it relates to the ability to bamboozle gullible voters into supporting tax referenda for gummint educational "needs" like fatter perks and paychecks for the gummint misedjamakashun empire to live higher on the hog at taxpayers' expense for little production.

$900 per year for union dues was strictly your daughter's choice and she made that choice when she chose union-dominated gummint skewels as her employer. It is the price she pays for the fat in her paycheck.

Your paragraph about your daughter's academic and athletic credentials is a nice expression of parental pride. On the other hand, her bachelor's degree in math is far more impressive than winning academic competitions among Big Ten athletes or (at least for academic purposes) playing BB (basketball?) on a women's team in the Big Ten.

If she hangs around gummint education as her employer for a few years, she will be making 6 figures soon enough and too soon for taxpayers well before she becomes as jaded as the system that employs her. She has hitched her occupational wagon to a falling star.

Your last paragraph is every bit as much and then some a commentary on the quality of the other math teachers at PS 666 and then some as it is on your daughter.

If you are "confused" by #655, I rest my case.

Please understand that nothing less than the abolition of gummint skeweling will suffice to guarantee our nation's future.

693 posted on 11/29/2006 7:14:23 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; maddog
Please understand that nothing less than the abolition of gummint skeweling will suffice to guarantee our nation's future.

I have no idea what "gummit skewling" is, therefore, I cannot answer your post.

BTW, when my daughter is with child, hopefully soon, she will be leaving the teaching PROFESSION to be a full time Mom, until her child enters Kindergarten.

From the posts I've seen on here, her work, and other dedicated teachers will never be recognized on this site. Like I've said before, GOOD teachers are overworked, and underpaid.

I guess your solution is to JUST SHUT DOWN ALL PUBLIC SCHOOLS, ....and let all children be home-schooled. That solution would certainly save me tax $s.

My hope is that home-schoolers spend less time posting on here, and more time educating their children.

695 posted on 11/29/2006 8:08:13 PM PST by LisaMalia (GO BUCKEYES!!!!!)
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To: BlackElk
I can respect a bachelor's degree in math but never a master's degree in "math education." The first is substance (depending upon the program). The second is useless and professionally incestuous fluff (and a waste of tuition money). What on earth is "Poly. Sci"???? Political Science (Poli Sci) or some description of many sciences (Poly. Sci????) In any event, in the former instance it relates to the ability to bamboozle gullible voters into supporting tax referenda for gummint educational "needs" like fatter perks and paychecks for the gummint misedjamakashun empire to live higher on the hog at taxpayers' expense for little production.

Although I agree with the gist of your points, I am going to have to take issue with a couple of points. Math Education is actually worse than education at all. It is not that they teach nothing, which would be a mere waste of time, but that they teach so much that isn't true. I knew one college professor who had just gotten her doctorate who observed that her many years of study allowed her to instruct at Universities but not Kindergarten. Thank God she did not get that instruction in Deweyism. In graduate school , I met a fellow who fancied himself a good conservative, but thanks to the brainwashing effects of Deweyism, was not philosophically a conservative at all. He didn't like me attacking Dewey,not because he could defend his case (he really couldn't without contradicting his stated conservative principles, but because he perceived it as an attack on him, who was the first from a poor family to getting a University "education." When I saw he took it personally, I laid off, but the damage had been done. The Education schools teach you to gop against your own common sense, and they are happy to peddle new theories (New Math, Whole Language) to test on large numbers of unsuspecting children. So, an Education Degree is worse than costly and time wasting "incestuous fluff," it is actually subversive.

Secondly, as a holder of a "Political Science and Economics Degree," I must say there is Poli Sci and there is Poli Sci (there is no Poly Sci, only Poly Tech). One flavor is more or less what you say, only with more statistics (which is a subset of mathematics, one of those permanent things) to help you become the next Dick Morris, but takes certain philosophical presumptions as givens. The other flavor could more rightly be called Political Philosophy, and is what I was taught in undergraduate school. There, you might start with Plato, go through Locke and The Federalist Papers and on through to Strauss and Vogelin. I hope you don't have a problem with that.
696 posted on 11/30/2006 5:53:02 AM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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