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To: BlackElk
I can respect a bachelor's degree in math but never a master's degree in "math education." The first is substance (depending upon the program). The second is useless and professionally incestuous fluff (and a waste of tuition money). What on earth is "Poly. Sci"???? Political Science (Poli Sci) or some description of many sciences (Poly. Sci????) In any event, in the former instance it relates to the ability to bamboozle gullible voters into supporting tax referenda for gummint educational "needs" like fatter perks and paychecks for the gummint misedjamakashun empire to live higher on the hog at taxpayers' expense for little production.

Although I agree with the gist of your points, I am going to have to take issue with a couple of points. Math Education is actually worse than education at all. It is not that they teach nothing, which would be a mere waste of time, but that they teach so much that isn't true. I knew one college professor who had just gotten her doctorate who observed that her many years of study allowed her to instruct at Universities but not Kindergarten. Thank God she did not get that instruction in Deweyism. In graduate school , I met a fellow who fancied himself a good conservative, but thanks to the brainwashing effects of Deweyism, was not philosophically a conservative at all. He didn't like me attacking Dewey,not because he could defend his case (he really couldn't without contradicting his stated conservative principles, but because he perceived it as an attack on him, who was the first from a poor family to getting a University "education." When I saw he took it personally, I laid off, but the damage had been done. The Education schools teach you to gop against your own common sense, and they are happy to peddle new theories (New Math, Whole Language) to test on large numbers of unsuspecting children. So, an Education Degree is worse than costly and time wasting "incestuous fluff," it is actually subversive.

Secondly, as a holder of a "Political Science and Economics Degree," I must say there is Poli Sci and there is Poli Sci (there is no Poly Sci, only Poly Tech). One flavor is more or less what you say, only with more statistics (which is a subset of mathematics, one of those permanent things) to help you become the next Dick Morris, but takes certain philosophical presumptions as givens. The other flavor could more rightly be called Political Philosophy, and is what I was taught in undergraduate school. There, you might start with Plato, go through Locke and The Federalist Papers and on through to Strauss and Vogelin. I hope you don't have a problem with that.
696 posted on 11/30/2006 5:53:02 AM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: sittnick

vogelin-voegelin


697 posted on 11/30/2006 6:22:56 AM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: sittnick; BlackElk
The other flavor could more rightly be called Political Philosophy, and is what I was taught in undergraduate school. There, you might start with Plato, go through Locke and The Federalist Papers and on through to Strauss and Vogelin. I hope you don't have a problem with that.

When I was in college, we covered this in history classes. Of course, I signed up for the more interesting history classes - to loud complaints from my parents along the lines of "Is this in your major? When are you going to graduate?"

700 posted on 11/30/2006 6:36:48 AM PST by Tax-chick ("That would be the camel's nose under the mouse.")
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