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To: BlackElk; maddog
Let me try to answer your somewhat rambling post, point by point.

she will spend as many hours as necessary to complete the job without bellyaching

My daughter does not "bellyache". She loves teaching. I am the one stating my opinion on her situation, so direct your insults to me, please.

She actually has three degrees, a Masters in Math Ed and Bachs. in Math. and Poly. Sci. All that accomplished in 5 years, while playing BB at at Big 10 school, with much blood, sweat, and tears involved. She was an all Big 10 Academic recipient 4 years straight. She could have gone into virtually any profession, however she went into teaching to make a difference. She could be making 6 figures at any other career of her choosing.

She should not be paying $900 per year to a teachers' union

In Ohio, you have no choice, they take the $900 out whether you join the union or not.

The remainder of your post is to confusing, not sure how to respond. All I know is that so many of my daughter's students, and their parents have told her they never "got" math until they had her as a teacher. And for that I've very proud.

688 posted on 11/29/2006 3:07:48 PM PST by LisaMalia (GO BUCKEYES!!!!!)
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To: LisaMalia; Tax-chick; bornacatholic; sittnick; Oberon; ninenot; Convert from ECUSA
If you were actually trying to answer point by point my previous post, I invite anyone interested in the controversy to review my #655 and form their own opinion as to whether you succeeded. I don't think so! Here, I will show you how to do that.

That post at #655 was not at all rambling just an example of what those who were NOT dumped into public school babysitting institutions can do with actual education.

Your daughter is not bellyaching. OK, conceded that it is her mommy that does the whining for her never suspecting that boodgeum's choice of employers is the source of her misery. If she was not whining to you, you would not be whining on her behalf here.

In gummint skewels supported by the thievery of taxation, paychecks and perks and pensions are fat in exchange for minimal production. If your daughter can do better elsewhere financially, then she should flee the useless sinking ship of public education and do better elsewhere.

The late professor Russell Kirk, a conservative who could distinguish between trash posing as education and actual education in what he termed the "permanent things" (which would include mathematics) would have derided any Big Ten school as "Humungous State University" which was not a compliment (for those intellectually hamstrung by public education).

I can respect a bachelor's degree in math but never a master's degree in "math education." The first is substance (depending upon the program). The second is useless and professionally incestuous fluff (and a waste of tuition money). What on earth is "Poly. Sci"???? Political Science (Poli Sci) or some description of many sciences (Poly. Sci????) In any event, in the former instance it relates to the ability to bamboozle gullible voters into supporting tax referenda for gummint educational "needs" like fatter perks and paychecks for the gummint misedjamakashun empire to live higher on the hog at taxpayers' expense for little production.

$900 per year for union dues was strictly your daughter's choice and she made that choice when she chose union-dominated gummint skewels as her employer. It is the price she pays for the fat in her paycheck.

Your paragraph about your daughter's academic and athletic credentials is a nice expression of parental pride. On the other hand, her bachelor's degree in math is far more impressive than winning academic competitions among Big Ten athletes or (at least for academic purposes) playing BB (basketball?) on a women's team in the Big Ten.

If she hangs around gummint education as her employer for a few years, she will be making 6 figures soon enough and too soon for taxpayers well before she becomes as jaded as the system that employs her. She has hitched her occupational wagon to a falling star.

Your last paragraph is every bit as much and then some a commentary on the quality of the other math teachers at PS 666 and then some as it is on your daughter.

If you are "confused" by #655, I rest my case.

Please understand that nothing less than the abolition of gummint skeweling will suffice to guarantee our nation's future.

693 posted on 11/29/2006 7:14:23 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: LisaMalia
She actually has three degrees, a Masters in Math Ed and Bachs. in Math. and Poly. Sci. All that accomplished in 5 years, while playing BB at at Big 10 school, with much blood, sweat, and tears involved. She was an all Big 10 Academic recipient 4 years straight. She could have gone into virtually any profession, however she went into teaching to make a difference. She could be making 6 figures at any other career of her choosing.

I understand how difficult it is to juggle the demands of D1 athletics and the classroom better than most, so I salute your daughter for her accomplishment. I also have two immediate family members in the teaching profession, so I understand that many teachers are dedicated and competent professionals as well.

Unfortunately, there are many terrible teachers (as there are people in most professions) that are easy to ridicule and are an embarrassment to their peers. There is far too much arrogance displayed on both sides of this argument. Seems to me it's best for everyone to acknowledge that each parent should make the decision that's best for their own child, and avoid making sweeping assertions about others.

807 posted on 12/02/2006 7:58:01 AM PST by NittanyLion
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