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1 posted on 11/27/2006 7:04:48 AM PST by meandog
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Education majors are the fallback for those who can't hack it with real degrees in math and science. They are hardly the "cream of the crop". The skill level needed to teach the basic math/english/science/music curriculum is not very high. Public schools are mostly babysitting institutions with scholarship added as window dressing. Well meaning amateurs with decent teaching materials can do a much better job of individualized instruction than the cattle car babysitting methods of the public schools.
512 posted on 11/28/2006 11:28:34 AM PST by Myrddin
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For three years in a a row, NEA, I gave you my little boy and asked you to teach him math. They would do a test the first week of school and he would finish all the requirements of that grade in that first week and sit there bored for the other 9 months. Now he is home with me, learning high school geometry. And no gangbanger kids are sitting next to him, giving him details from life in the hood. You HAD your chance!


541 posted on 11/28/2006 1:28:21 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: meandog
This is a joke, right? Scrappleface or The Onion? or Nose on your face?? No serious person believes this crap.
547 posted on 11/28/2006 2:29:50 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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bump


562 posted on 11/28/2006 4:00:45 PM PST by lowbridge
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"Dave Arnold, a member of the Illinois Education Association, is head custodian at Brownstown Elementary School in Southern Illinois."

Just pimping for the union...

564 posted on 11/28/2006 4:17:49 PM PST by spunkets
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To: meandog

When my son was in the first grade, one day he said, "I be gone, Dad." I said, "Wait a minute. Who taught you to talk like that?" "My teacher." 'Nuf said.


578 posted on 11/28/2006 5:53:10 PM PST by JoeGar
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Since I'm a late-comer to this party, I doubt that this will get much play...however:

As I read these posts, I see that we're using the cream of the home-schooling parents as examples. I believe that there are, however, a number of less-educated people who take on this daunting task. This I find as problematic.

Don't get me wrong, I promote home-schooling! I've stated before that a child's parents are their greatest allies. Who but a child's parents/grandparents would give the child the every bit of very best they had to offer?

I just think we're being naive here to use blanket claims about one choice (homeschooling or public education) being THE BEST for every student.

When a child comes from an uneducated family, perhaps public school is the best place for him/her--WITH the parents being full-participants in the education!

Conversely, when a child's parents have the resources to provide a better education for that child at home, the parents would be fools to opt for the lesser.

I agree that there are numerous (!) problems with the public educational system...but I think we're discussing throwing out the proverbial baby with the bathwater here. Something is required to fill this need for many students. I believe that repairing the political side of the system would be preferential to dumping the "baby."

587 posted on 11/28/2006 6:43:53 PM PST by bannie
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I notice that, aside from bald assertions, this novice fails to provide one single reason why home-schooling is not preferable to government controlled education. At least he acknowledged that homeschoolers are well-meaning--an attribute that is definitely up for grabs in the blackboard ghettoes of the NEA.
588 posted on 11/28/2006 6:44:01 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Gee.... Some of the absolutely WORST teachers I've ever had were tenured, long time "teachers."

One absolutely ruined math for me my frshman year in highschool. In his class, we had a weekly quiz every Friday. Ten questions. 4 of 10 correct was an A. 3 or 10 correct was a B. 2 of 10 was a C. 1 or none correct was a D. He gave no "F"s. I learned nothing whatsoever.

On the other hand, some of the best teachers I've ever had were NOT "trained professionals," at least not as teachers. They were excellent in their fields.

There are some teachers who are in the profession because it's their avocation: They're passionate about the subjects they teach, and they love teaching it. These are the best teachers you can ever have. I've been lucky enough to have some teachers like this over the years.

But far too many teachers are in the business because they figure that they get summers off, and the fact that they failed in more rigorous educational pursuits. "Those who can't do, teach" perfectly defines them. And I've had far too many of the later.

Mark


607 posted on 11/28/2006 8:00:55 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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This guy is so full of scat.Leave it to the trained professionals? Right.Id rather teach my children to the best of my ability than trust the most precious things in my life to some left wing dirtbag who claims they can teach.


618 posted on 11/28/2006 9:20:57 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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There's nothing like having the right person with the right experience, skills and tools to accomplish a specific task. Certain jobs are best left to the pros, such as, formal education.

OK Mr. Formal Education expert, first we have to define what constitutes good formal education before we can argue about the best means to achieving this end.

Perhaps we could agree that a good formal education should prepare children for life. But how should we prepare children for life? To answer this question, we need to understand the purpose of life. The purpose of life is to know, love and serve God in this life so that we can be happy forever with Him in the next. This is a simple objective truth.

So any formal education that doesn't center on helping children to know, love and serve God in this life is a poor education, and any education that completely ignores the purpose of life, such as godless government education, is a fraud.

And so it seems that leaving formal education "to the pros" is a mistake of the highest order.

623 posted on 11/29/2006 4:40:42 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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Something published by the NEA is going to change my mind about homeschooling? The NEA is one of the major reasons why the government schools are in the pitiful condition they are in today.

We've been through this argument about parents not being qualified to teach their own children before. Sorry, but that argument doesn't hold water.


642 posted on 11/29/2006 6:39:25 AM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
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“What about socialization? Forget about it!”

If I want my kids to feel school atmosphere socialization I will personally physically kick their butts while calling them vulgar names while my wife stands around and berates them in belittling ways.

That should be enough school socialization to last them for another year or two.

Otherwise, we continue to participate in homeschool functions on a weekly basis. Field trips, group gatherings, and other functions like church. Our kids enjoy the many church sports options offered and seem to be functioning quite well without the unruly influences of some of the public school children. Everywhere we go, people compliment how well behaved our children are and I don't see any reason to stop homeschooling in the near future.

653 posted on 11/29/2006 8:34:57 AM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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Sanctimonious prick.

1- The number of "good" & "qualified" teachers is disturbingly small.

2- Most public schools contribute absolutely nothing to "socialization", unless one defines socialization as the success of regimentation and indoctrination.

3- I did not read this on a web site, I dealt with the teaches, administrators and the system.

When we HS'd our daughter a number of good teachers were very supportive of us. And quite impressed with the results.

680 posted on 11/29/2006 12:20:18 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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And that means public schools are run by: "Mean-spirited, socialistic, unionized idiots"

Save money, abolish the Dept. of Education for a start. Then reduce the number of high-priced administrators by 50% and let the States run their public schools with tested, competent teachers using non-liberal texts. Will it ever happen? The RATs are back in charge and it won't happen, more's the pity, and the drop out rates will continue to increase while our kids are learning liberal junk.

687 posted on 11/29/2006 2:10:39 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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my son is going into the air force as an airborn linguist


694 posted on 11/29/2006 7:19:13 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (The default mode of the heart is set for Drift.)
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Yet another patronizing diatribe from the left on how it is essential that they be in charge of indoctrinating children -- and this one is written by a school janitor.

698 posted on 11/30/2006 6:26:09 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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What a crock! My best friend and my s-i-l both recently completed college for teaching degrees and they both told me the same thing- a teaching degree does not teach you how to teach or prepare you for the real life exprience of teaching. You're expected to learn that on your own; learn as you go.

They are NOT *professional* educators; they are just ordinary human beings like you or I who decided to pursue a teaching degree to earn a living- a degree that is of such poor repute that it is useless as credentials for a job in the real world.


705 posted on 11/30/2006 8:07:36 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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They would be wise to help their children and themselves by leaving the responsibility of teaching math, science, art, writing, history, geography and other subjects to those who are knowledgeable, trained and motivated to do the best job possible...

...when they aren't having sex with your kids...
707 posted on 11/30/2006 8:40:03 AM PST by Froufrou
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Let’s face it, teaching children is difficult even for experienced professionals.

No. Teaching children is not difficult. Trying to control a classroomful of undisciplined, out of control kids AND trying to teach them something in the meantime IS difficult. By the time the discipline issues are taken care of, on a good day 50% of the time might be for education. On a bad day 90% is discipline and that leaves 10% for teaching. ( As per several teachers who have told me this.) If the class time is 50 mins per subject, that means that some days you might get 5 mins. of teaching time.

708 posted on 11/30/2006 9:17:14 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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