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To: Maddox

I am not a fan of Trump. But, I can't disagree with anything he said here.


2 posted on 11/22/2006 9:58:35 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: MBB1984

How about the phrase, "Millions of people have been killed"?

Gross hyperbole.


6 posted on 11/22/2006 10:00:29 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: MBB1984
I am not a fan of Trump. But, I can't disagree with anything he said here.

Millions of people have been killed by Rumsfeld?

7 posted on 11/22/2006 10:01:13 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: MBB1984

Even if you agree with Trump 100%, this probably isn't the kind of thing you'd want to hear if you just shelled out $500 to hear him explain how to make money in real estate.


8 posted on 11/22/2006 10:01:14 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: MBB1984
I am not a fan of Trump. But, I can't disagree with anything he said here.

Look at this guy Rumsfeld," Trump said. "Millions of people have been killed. We're spending as a country, I guess up to $900 billion so far but much more important arms and legs and lives are wasted, including the Iraqis by the way

This statement is utter and totally hysteric nonsense. It is not even close to reality. That you think this a reasonable statement indicates you should read a whole lot more about Iraq and post a whole lot less.

9 posted on 11/22/2006 10:01:25 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: MBB1984
I am not a fan of Trump. But, I can't disagree with anything he said here.

"Millions of people have been killed"

Nothing to disagree with?

10 posted on 11/22/2006 10:01:54 AM PST by Doodle
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To: MBB1984
I am not a fan of Trump. But, I can't disagree with anything he said here.

Just out of curiousity, where are these "millions of people" that Trump (and now you) claim Rumsfeld is responsible for killing?

14 posted on 11/22/2006 10:03:02 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: MBB1984
"I guess up to $900 billion so far but much more important arms and legs and lives are wasted, including the Iraqis by the way."


"I am not a fan of Trump. But, I can't disagree with anything he said here"




Really? all lives have been "wasted?"

Do us a favor.. don't try to tell us that our friends and family's lives have been wasted.. They are fighting a better cause and are NOT just "being wasted" away

~D
16 posted on 11/22/2006 10:03:16 AM PST by dcrider182 (Col. Dean R. Hiatt.. WWII Hero. LC.Cpl. Brad Shuder. 9-11 Hero.. you are both loved and missed)
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To: MBB1984
I am not a fan of Trump. But, I can't disagree with anything he said here.

Moonbats of a feather flock together.

Where was "the Donald" when islamofascists were killing your fellow Americans from 1979 onward with nary a response?

20 posted on 11/22/2006 10:03:36 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: MBB1984; Maddox

BDS?


23 posted on 11/22/2006 10:04:34 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: MBB1984
"Millions of people have been killed...

You agree with that? You're a total idiot.

28 posted on 11/22/2006 10:11:46 AM PST by RedRover
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To: MBB1984

I can


31 posted on 11/22/2006 10:13:19 AM PST by woofie (creativity is destructive)
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To: MBB1984
We have niether spent $900 billion nor killed Millions. Have not even killed hunreds of thousands probably have not even killed 10s of thousands.

However, Trump's Surrender Now dogmas may lead to the USA suffering millions of dead and trillions in costs if the Terrorists get their hands on chemical or nuclear weapons.

Here is what we are up to in Iraq. The Neo-Isolationists and Appeacement Now Leftists should try learning some BASIC facts about Iraq rathern then mindlessly scream their 09-10-01 dogmas.

Why Iraq

One of the really infuriating things in modern politics is the level of disinformation, misinformation, demagoguery and out right lying going on about the mission in Iraq. Democrats have spent the last 3+ years lying about Iraq out of a political calculation. The assumption is that the natural isolationist mindset of the average American voter, linked to the inherent Anti Americanism (what is misnamed the "Anti War movement") of the more feverish Democrat activists (especially those running the US's National "News" media) would restore them to national political dominance. The truth is the Democrat Party Leadership has simply lacked the courage to speak truth to whiners. The truth is that even if Al Gore won the 2000 election and 09-11 still happened we would be doing the EXACT same things in Iraq we are doing now.

Based on the political situation in the region left over from the 1991 Gulf War plus the domestic political consensus built up in BOTH parties since 1991 as well as fundamental military strategic laws, there was NO viable strategic choice for the US but to take out Iraq after finishing the initial operations in Afghanistan.

To start with Saddam's Iraq was our most immediate threat. We could NOT commit significant military forces to another battle with Saddam hovering undefeated on our flank nor could we leave significant forces watching Saddam. The political containment of Iraq was breaking down. That what Oil for Food was all about. Oil for Food was an attempt by Iraq to break out of it's diplomatic isolation and slip the shackles the UN Sanctions put on it's military. There there was the US Strategic position to consider.

The War on Islamic Fascism is different sort of war. in facing this Asymmetrical threat, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone.

Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The "Holy" soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is mostly neutral in terms of guerrilla warfare. (Iraqi-mostly open terrain as opposed to guerrilla friendly areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of SE Asia).

Did any of the critics of liberating Iraq ever look at a map? Iraq, for which we had the political, legal and moral justifications to attack, is the strategic high ground of the Middle East. A Geographic barrier that severs ground communication between Iran and Syria apart as well as providing another front of attack in either state or into Saudi Arabia if needed.

There were other reasons to do Iraq but here is the strategic military reason we are in Iraq. We have taken, an maintain the initiative from the Terrorists. They are playing OUR game on ground of OUR choosing.

Problem is Counter Insurgency is SLOW and painful. Often a case of 3 steps forward, two steps back. One has to wonder if the American people have either the emotional maturity, nor the intellect" to understand. It's so much easier to spew made for TV slogans like "No Blood for Oil" or "We support the Troops, bring them home" or dumbest of all "We are creating terrorists" then to actually THINK.

Westerners in general, and the US citizens in particular seem to have trouble grasping the fundamental fact of this foe. These Islamic Fascists have NO desire to co-exist with them. The extremists see all this PC posturing by the Hysteric Left as a sign that we are weak. Since they want us dead, weakness encourages them. There is simply no way to coexist with people who completely believe their "god" will reward them for killing us.

So we can covert to Islam, die or kill them. Iraq is about killing enough of them to make the rest of the Jihadists realize we are serious. They same way killing enough Germans, Italians and Japanese eliminated the ideologies of Nazism, Fascism and Bushido.

Americans need to understand how Bin Laden and his ilk view us. In the Arab world the USA is considered a big wimp. We have run away so many times. Lebanon, the Kurds, the Iraqis in 1991, the Iranians, Somalia, Clinton all thru the 1990s etc etc etc. The Jihadists think we will run again. In fact they are counting on it. That way they can run around screaming "We beat the American just like the Russians, come join us in Jihad" and recruit the next round of "holy warriors". Iraq is also a show place where we show the Muslim world that there are a lines they cannot cross. On 9-11-01 they crossed that line and we can, and will, destroy them for it

39 posted on 11/22/2006 10:23:08 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: MBB1984
I can't disagree with anything he said here - Millions of people have been killed I can
40 posted on 11/22/2006 10:23:37 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: MBB1984
The only thing Rumsfeld did wrong was to irritate the "big" Army generals who don't like high tech gizmos and Special Forces types, but rather think more boots on the ground (and more divisions under their control) is the best anyone can have.
43 posted on 11/22/2006 10:24:46 AM PST by razzle (Democrat "Science" - embryo cloning, global warming, and darwinism)
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To: MBB1984
I am not a fan of Trump. But, I can't disagree with anything he said here.

Then like Trump, you aren't concerned with facts.

94 posted on 11/22/2006 1:47:43 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: MBB1984

Maybe Donnieboy ought to concentrate on something that he can handle like Rosie's fat arse??????


99 posted on 12/21/2006 6:38:05 PM PST by ErieGeno
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