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"We on the Continent have the right to deplore the fact that Great Britain appears to consider the Channel wider."

Deplore it as much as you like. The only countries that really seem to want the EU are Germany and France, anyway, neither of which are allies that I would choose.

1 posted on 11/20/2006 6:57:33 AM PST by Mrs Ivan
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To: Mrs Ivan
Let's see. On one hand, we can choose people who speak English and have been consistently on our side. On the other, we can choose the countries which have traditionally opposed us.

The words "No brainer" spring to mind.

Love, Ivan

2 posted on 11/20/2006 6:59:05 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; mtngrl@vrwc; ...

Ping!


3 posted on 11/20/2006 7:01:03 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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France, Germany Spain and Italy could join forces to create a "quartet" to lead Europe.

Don't you mean, an "Axis"?

4 posted on 11/20/2006 7:02:15 AM PST by Cooter
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Why does the Lady think the US would WANT Europe as the 51st state? Not a chance unless it is the only way to keep it out of the Caliphate.

Nor does it appear in doubt as to which side the English people would chose if asked. One side tried repeatedly to conquer it and the other assisted Great Britain in the repulsion of that would-be conquest.


5 posted on 11/20/2006 7:02:42 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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The French have consistently tried to turn Europe into something that is automatically and always in opposition to the US. There is no logical reason why this must be so. This is just the same sort of arrogance that Chirac displayed by telling Eastern Europeans that they were not "well brought up" because they were insufficiently anti-American for French tastes.


6 posted on 11/20/2006 7:04:03 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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If she wins, Ms Royal and German Chancellor Angela Merkel could form a powerful new alliance at the heart of Europe.

Yes, they will turn both into complete and utter socialists countries with no return to freedom. Germany has tried this socialism thing once before, kinda back in the 1930s and 1940s I believe, I as my memory recalls, that did not turn out too well for them. Their little experiment into socialism cost the world about 50 million dead in WWII I believe. Sure, both of you try it, since you both are soon going to be come Mozlum nations anyway. By 2015-2020 both will probably have Mozlum leaders in government.

9 posted on 11/20/2006 7:05:36 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The US Military Services are THE BEST PEOPLE on the planet. God protect them.)
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Let Royal ruin France, then see her watch in horror when National Front takes power.

If Sarkozy does not win, that appears to be the path France is heading to. They are courting cataclysm.

11 posted on 11/20/2006 7:07:02 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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Segolene Royal will try to force Britain to choose between being America's closest ally or being at the heart of Europe if she becomes French president, says a close aide.

No, they don't have to choose. She is not the boss of anything.

12 posted on 11/20/2006 7:07:18 AM PST by x_plus_one (Franklin Graham: "Allah is not the God of Moses. Allah had no son")
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"do we want to be vassals of the United States, do we want to be a 51st state?"

Or, Brits, wouldn't you prefer to be vassals of France and Germany, do you want to be part of the 4th Reich? :p

I can't put my finger exactly on the moment when France decided that it was more fun to define itself as reflexively anti-US, but they're being nuts. The opinion seems to be that Islamism would be cuddly and cute if only they could ally with Islamists against the US.

"But we cannot have a Europe where one part goes to war in Iraq, another part does not, and we all end up paying the bill."

Why don't they just say it right out. "We must join with Sauron." :D


15 posted on 11/20/2006 7:09:18 AM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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Madame Royal is NOT a serious candidate, and apparently has lost the confidence of her own party, as well as having little better than no chance of gaining the primier post she seeks.

With the "yoots" burning, rampaging and pillaging M.Sarkozy seems to be a shoe in.
The UK has long cast a jaundiced eye on the "froggies" and generally neither like or seem able to abide them for very long. That they (the UK) needs to make a choice of blonde or brunette is patently foolish on it's face and a fiction used as jounalistic filler by the Daily Mail(the UK's MSM)
17 posted on 11/20/2006 7:10:08 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping The Maccallan and enjoying his Stan Getz CD's".)
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"The question that needs to be asked is - do we want to be vassals of the United States, do we want to be a 51st state?"

Whether you do or don't doesn't matter, in a few decades it will be moot. You have more important questions to ask yourself.

18 posted on 11/20/2006 7:10:16 AM PST by Spirochete
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"The only countries that really seem to want the EU are Germany and France . . ."

Germany was Britain's primary ally in the 18th and 19th Century. France was its primary ally in the first 20th century. Now its primary ally is the United States.

Seems like a better deal than allying with two losers.


19 posted on 11/20/2006 7:10:35 AM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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Britain can hitch it's wagon to the rising United States of the sinking EU. If they throw in their lot with us, they will be independent, free, and rich. If they cast their lot with the Europeans, they will be ensnared in the European bureaucracy, regulated to death, and poor.

This should be a no-brainer, but for some reason it's not.


24 posted on 11/20/2006 7:15:10 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Does it have to be McCain or Giuliani? Are we that pathetic?)
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Once goods are on a ship, it does not cost that much more to transport them 3000 miles than 30. The Chunnel gives the Froggies a slight structural advantage, but it does not carry enough goods to overcome the fact that they are on the express elevator and going down.

Why would Great Britain want to sign on to that?


27 posted on 11/20/2006 7:22:59 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Does it have to be McCain or Giuliani? Are we that pathetic?)
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Was anyone else wondering which member of the royal family would have dared make a comment like this? My money was on Princess Michael.


29 posted on 11/20/2006 7:26:33 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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Thanks for posting. Outstanding FReeper comments BUMP!


31 posted on 11/20/2006 7:29:59 AM PST by PGalt
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This little girl cant me much of a study of history. Other than WW1 and WW2 (where the US and Britain were allies) I would be hard pressed to find a political climate were Britain naturally sided with France.

Remember, if you draw a line in the sand, someone may actually step over it.


32 posted on 11/20/2006 7:32:03 AM PST by taxcontrol
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do we want to be a 51st state?"

How arrogant of her to even think we'd ever allow that.
The question should be: Should Great Britain join Europes decline or hedge her bets with the United States and the rest of the non-Islamic west.


33 posted on 11/20/2006 7:33:09 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
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Cheeky, ain't she?
37 posted on 11/20/2006 8:09:47 AM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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Britons need to obey.


39 posted on 11/20/2006 8:15:39 AM PST by greasepaint
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