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AMERICA'S MAYOR SEEKS LARGER EMPIRE (Giuliani as presidential candidate is scary)
NY POST ^ | November 19, 2006 | VOX POPULI (letters to the editors)

Posted on 11/19/2006 5:37:05 AM PST by Liz

****......he won't be able to get conservatives on his presidential bandwagon. He is pro-choice and favors same-sex marriage, gun control and stem-cell research. He has to be able to swing Middle America. Name redacted Bellerose

**** Who is going to run Giuliani's exploratory committee? I understand Bernie Kerik, Russell Harding, Richard Roberts and a list of assorted cons are available from Giuliani's group of yes men. Maybe his driver will be our next attorney general. That's just what our country needs - more scandals. Whitestone

**** Giuliani was a terrible mayor, and has spent all his days promoting himself. Manhattan

**** Giuliani for president? What is happening to the moral high ground of the Republicans? It sounds like they are becoming the more corrupt and morally disgusting bunch of the two parties, yet they want Giuliani to lead the party of moral conviction and family values? Memphis, Tenn.

**** Giuliani as a presidential candidate is a scary concept. Manhattan

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TOPICS: Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: assassinsforhilary; baloneyarticle; bs; crapola; deadenders; gohitlery; gorudygo; hearsay; newamerica; paleoslastgasp; rudyhatersanonymous; whatajoke
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To: ShawTaylor
Calling every Italian who runs for public office a mafia...

I had a "Gotti '96" bumpersticker on my pick-up... I knew the IRS would go away if he got elected...

121 posted on 11/19/2006 8:16:14 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ShawTaylor

Like I said, your CONSTITUTINAL RIGHT to own a gun in New York ends at the city limit... I don't need anyone's help, I can do the job myself...


122 posted on 11/19/2006 8:17:54 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Liz
Rudy supporters: Watta combo----stupid and nasty. They blindly follow their boy. Anybody daring to utter a discouraging word is a "liar." Demeaning conservatives is their specialty. The ding-a-lings defending Rudy are a clue to the conservative-hating going on behind Rudy's phony facade---amid Rudy's vain attempt to make himself look conservative.

So much for your objectivity.

123 posted on 11/19/2006 8:20:08 AM PST by Ceebass
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
Are you a Republican?

I'm a REALIST who just watched a bunch of morally self righteous people allow democrats to take control of the House and Senate because they couldn't get 100% of what they wanted from republicans and decided not to vote. These are the same people who would have Buchanan or someone else totally unelectable as our nominee in '08. I stated the reasons up post for why I felt that way and it doesn't seem to me to be an illogical position. What IS illogical is letting someone's marital problems prevent them from electing a total hawk during the worst crisis our country has ever faced. Illogical, short-sighted, and stupid.
124 posted on 11/19/2006 8:20:11 AM PST by HelloooClareece (Support the CinC during WARTIME or get outta my way.)
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To: RetiredArmy

McCain can be annoying no doubt but has been voting with conservative principles 83% of the time and his voting record increasingly shows that. I would vote for him over Giuliani for sure. Not my first choice but a yes.

his voting record:
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0061103&type=category&category=Conservative


125 posted on 11/19/2006 8:21:53 AM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Dark Skies
"...Rudy urinated in public..."

Yet another reason not to vote for this urine-spraying liberal. ; )
126 posted on 11/19/2006 8:23:24 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: HelloooClareece

"or someone else totally unelectable as our nominee in '08."

The nominee for the REALIST party?


127 posted on 11/19/2006 8:24:00 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: kjo
Big media took out George Allen; wow, did they do a number on him.

Don't blame the media for Allen's own stupidity. He finally showed what a macaca he is.

128 posted on 11/19/2006 8:24:27 AM PST by nwrep
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To: George W. Bush

lol...he urinated on Arafat's shoes!


129 posted on 11/19/2006 8:26:42 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Condor51
While Dubya is WRONG on Illegals and screwed the pooch with the Church Lady and spent like a drunken sailor, on the Second Amendment he's been 100% for our rights.

Except for that part where he campaigned on renewing AWB and asked the Senate to pass it again.

Even Texas pols have to be watched closely.
130 posted on 11/19/2006 8:27:01 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
We keep hearing this but there are a few inconvenient facts in the way.

You are the one furiously spinning to avoid facts that don't fit your Hutelry paid assassin, anti-Guiliani agenda.



"However dramatically you (or Rudy) might want to promote his efforts, the truth is that New York was a sewer due to the dereliction of the voters. Since Rudy, by the standards of most the country, it's been upgraded to a stable."

Hah Hah.
Still trying to talk down Giuliani's solid achievements that are backed by solid facts and figures huh?
You are merely saying words, without bringing out even one fact, and it's not working.
Try again.


"Both crime and abortion rates have fallen across the country, dating from the mid-Nineties. "

What has abortion got to do with it?
Number 2, Crime, including murder is still rising in Detroit and New Orleans, which are in a comparatively a similar situation as New York was, before Guiliani.
It took a very strong man to tame the hoods of New York and make it livable again, and that man was Guiliani.
Hitlery wouldn't even have a clue where to start.
Why, she couldn't even handle an ordinary Health Care plan.

There's no real apparent reason for it and neither party is in any position to take credit for it

Oh yes they are.
The Republican Party can proudly take credit for binging down crime here.
And the RATS Party can equally take credit for the terrible mess in Detroit and New Orleans, where crime is still booming.
131 posted on 11/19/2006 8:27:23 AM PST by ShawTaylor
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To: ShawTaylor

"Why didn't you become mayor at a time when crime was making everyone's life hell, and hammer the hoods, the vicious killers and the muggers into the ground?"

Did you ever ride the F train into Brooklyn during those years? You think the "hoods, killers, and muggers" were "in the ground"?

Maybe they left times square and the upper west side.

Everyone else had to fend for themselves.


132 posted on 11/19/2006 8:27:38 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Still doesn't answer my question, no matter how many times you keep repeating that.


133 posted on 11/19/2006 8:28:19 AM PST by ShawTaylor
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To: Dark Skies
He was Giuliani's body guard, thus his driver.

You started with the insults with your remarks about Liz lying.

lol...you might have some credibility if you provided sources for your lies. Rumor has it that Kerik was Commissioner of NYC Department of Correction before being appointed NYC Police commissioner by Rudy. Usually folks want to get the truth out about candidates, not just smear their reps.

Why is it that Liberals have to hurl the first insult?

134 posted on 11/19/2006 8:30:07 AM PST by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: Combat_Liberalism
I agree. Rudy will provide leadership. He is effective. He gets things done. I realize that the GOP is a big tent. Rudy may not be the Christian Conservative candidate, but he fits under that tent. Also, the alternative are weak. Barbour may be a candidate worthy of contention, but he needs more exposure and gravitas. He might be a good VP candidate. I don't thing Condi will run, especially since Iraq is such a problem. McCain is not reliable. He voted against the taxcuts.
Romney is a moderate (tell me why Romney would be better than Rudy). GIVE ME ANOTHER CANDIDATE THAT CAN BET HILDEBEAST!
135 posted on 11/19/2006 8:30:13 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: ShawTaylor
You have been on FR for 9 days and you are calling Freepers "paid assassin".

Interesting.
136 posted on 11/19/2006 8:30:49 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
Did you ever ride the F train into Brooklyn during those years? You think the "hoods, killers, and muggers" were "in the ground"?


I do.
Every day. With no problems whatsoevr.
And I even take them late at night too.
No one "hood killers" have come even close to atacking me.
That wasn't the case pre-Guiliani.
137 posted on 11/19/2006 8:30:51 AM PST by ShawTaylor
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To: Liz

Rudy Guiliani has marched in lockstep with liberals on affirmative action, gay rights, gay marriage, gun control, school prayer, tuition tax credits, liberal immigration policies, and he's reinforced it, time and time again. Just about everytime Rudy opens his mouth, offensive liberal words come pouring out. As Mayor, Rudy put liberals in high-paid city jobs, an indication what a Rudy WH would look like. Here then is Rudy in his own words:

--The New York State Liberal Party on its endorsement of Rudy Giuliani for Mayor: "When the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion." N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of Candidate Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

--On the Republican Party: "Mr. Rockefeller represented 'a tradition in the Republican Party' I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." Rudy Giuliani told the New York Times July 9, 1992

--Village Voice Interview with Guiliani: He was asked: "What kind of Republican Is [Giuliani]? A Reagan Republican?" Giuliani pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." Village Voice January 24, 1989

--On Attending 1996 Republican Convention: Rudy expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention." said Rudy. Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Page 459, by Wayne Barrett

--On Barry Goldwater: Giuliani described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant. Barry Goldwater as an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man." New York Daily News, May 13, 1997

--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--The Daily News quoted Giuliani as saying March 1996: "Whether you talk about President Clinon, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group." An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, Rudy said: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett, Page 459

---Rudy Giuliani Endorses Democratic Governor Mario Cuomo October 1994: "From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, ˜Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo." Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City book by Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133

--Reaction to Giuliani Endorsement of Cuomo: "Once again, Rudolph Giuliani has demonstrated that liberalism is the foundation of his political philosophy. While Giuliani sold a bill of goods to trusting Republicans and Reagan Democrats that he had abandoned his roots as a McGovern Democrat, in his endorsement of Mario Cuomo, Mr. Liberal himself, he has shown his true colors. Giuliani's argument that Cuomo will be better for the city has a hollow ring to it. Perhaps Rudy wants a governor who will sign over a blank check to constantly bail out the city from its fiscal problems. Giuliani knows, as do all New Yorkers, that Cuomo's liberal policies have been an economic disaster for our city and state." "But Rudy doesn't care. He has proven he will do anything to stop the election of a conservative Republican - but he won't succeed." Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party Press Statement, October 25, 1994

--"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party." Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party, CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994

--On Gay Domestic-Partner Rights: "National Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, "Mayor Giuliani said yesterday. "I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said. The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples. "I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country." New York Daily News, May 13, 1998

--On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993

--Now Rudy Giuliani has jumped on the bandwagon, pressing the state Republican Party to release a gay-rights bill to the Senate floor for a vote. Marching in Sunday's [Gay Pride] parade, he has enlisted in the struggle to destroy the family. What a perfectly abominable springboard to seek high political office. Ray Kerrison New York Post, June 30, 1993

--Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989

--On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992

--On Abortion: Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.

--Rudy Guiliani on abortion: "I'd give my daughter the money for it [an abortion]."

--"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989

--As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989

--On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998

--On School Choice: "He doesn't support tuition tax credits and vouchers." Sandra Feldman, President of N.Y.C. Teacher's Union, 1993

--On Taxes: [Giuliani] says ruling out a tax increase is "political pandering." Newsday, August 31, 1989

...if you are willing to support the candidacy of a man who has admitted to agreeing with most of Clinton's policies, you have lost any credibility you might have had as a conservative.


138 posted on 11/19/2006 8:31:02 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
You have been on FR for 9 days and you are calling Freepers "paid assassin".


If it walks like a duck...
139 posted on 11/19/2006 8:31:31 AM PST by ShawTaylor
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To: ShawTaylor

You ride the F every day?


140 posted on 11/19/2006 8:32:43 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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