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Fox News Radicals Obsession
fox news tv ^ | 11/17/06 | fox news

Posted on 11/17/2006 6:13:30 PM PST by mirkwood

Turn on Fox News now. A very good terrorist study hosted by ED Hill.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: islam; muslim; terrorism; wot
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To: George W. Bush

I did some research and found out that Tony Snow used to be here and that got me wondering.

Actually talking with the President would have been very neat, but thanks anyway for answering.


21 posted on 11/17/2006 7:58:14 PM PST by Enosh
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To: mirkwood

I'm watching it now.

I don't think i'm going to see or hear anything that will surprise me. But I'm sure I'll see and hear some things that will make my blood boil!!

...feel a stroke coming on....:)


22 posted on 11/17/2006 9:06:21 PM PST by annelizly
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To: gotribe
"Many, many muslims want to kill us, and few muslims are actively opposing it." That is a completely accurate statement

No, that is not an accurate statement. The number of Muslims who are actively trying to kill Americans is less than the number of Muslims who are actively trying to kill other Muslims who are actively trying to kill Americans. The Afghan National Army, the Iraqi Army (less some rogue elements), Coalition troops from Bosnia and Kazakhstan, military and intelligence operatives from Jordan, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Oman; don't they count?

23 posted on 11/17/2006 10:26:01 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.)
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To: annelizly

I watched the entire movie "Obsession-Radical Islam's War Against The West". It's a must for every American to see.
The correlation between today's Islamic radicals and Hitler's Nazi regime is chilling. I've read that this powerful message "Obsession" brings is so politically incorrect, major theatres are refusing to screen it.

I feel cheated by our MSM. They have let us all down by not showing us the true threat we're facing today. Yes, I blame them for keeping us all in blissful ignorance.

I've argued with many liberals on this threat. They call me a spreader of paranoia and that's it's nothing more than a scare tactic dreamed up by right-wingers. They continue to keep their heads buried in the sand.

Our nation has become divided and that's also what the terrorist wanted. As they continue to spread lies in the middle east against the US and Israel, and hatred spreads further, much of America will remain in the dark until we're attacked again. And we will be.


24 posted on 11/17/2006 10:34:57 PM PST by BrassTacks
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To: gotribe

Very very good point, maybe better than you know: if even ONE percent of the billion Muslims on the planet would like to see us dead, that equals a far higher number than the miniscule fraction of one percent of the 99% that are "peaceful" and yet do NOTHING to rein in their murderous minority.


25 posted on 11/17/2006 10:43:50 PM PST by supremedoctrine ("Talent hits a target no one else can hit, genius hits a target no one else can see"--Schopenhauer)
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To: mirkwood
They are wrong. Islam is the problem. Just read the Koran to see this." I just had this discussion with my mom this morning and she thought that most are peaceful. I asked her why most of them are not stopping the least of them, and she had to admit...they are afraid. Nice religion.That's quite right. It's still not a bad documentary.
26 posted on 11/18/2006 2:00:04 AM PST by Stepan12 (Mark Steyn: "We are all spaniards now.")
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

There are between 100 million and 125 million jihadists, based on which estimate you believe. That far outnumbers any number of coalition troops anywhere.


27 posted on 11/18/2006 3:45:13 AM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: gotribe
125 million actively trying to kill Americans?

How is it we are still alive?

28 posted on 11/18/2006 5:43:42 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.)
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To: mirkwood

Check This Out

http://www.durhamrepublicans.org/obsession.html


29 posted on 11/18/2006 8:20:04 AM PST by MaineVoter2002 (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: mirkwood

What is with the incessant, looped music track? I know it is supposed to heighten suspense and create a sense of urgency, but the volume was distracting and made the narrative hard to listen to. Frankly, I can do without the noise.


30 posted on 11/18/2006 9:00:31 PM PST by miele man
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To: mirkwood

I am in a constant state of amazement that so many freepers are still not aware or awake.


31 posted on 11/18/2006 9:10:47 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Enosh
Islam [not just radical Islam] is the problem. Just read the Koran to see this.

Isn't the problem how the Koran is interpreted?

I know many Muslims who only follow the "five pillars" and say to heck with not only Sharia and Jihad, but even dietary laws; i.e. they drink beer and eat pork. Are they somehow not "real" Muslims, or less legitimate than Islamists?

If your answer is, "yes," then do you say the same thing about Jews, i.e. that only the ultra-orthodox who follow all the laws concerning diet, dress and behavior are "real" Jews and that the millions of reformed Jews and other less than ultra-orthodox are somehow not really (and religiously) Jewish?

Even among conservative and traditionalist Muslims there are many who, for instance, adopted a kind of "dispensationalist" (to translate to Christian terminology) interpretation of Sharia and other such matters related to religion and state. IOW they believe that the close association between religion and state that was instituted in Mohammad's time (and which Islamists treat as mandatory for the present and for all time) was in fact meant as an extengency for that time and place, and that religion and politics should be separate in the modern world. Even some dissident (but otherwise conservative) Iranian mullahs accept this interpretation.

Are these people not real Muslims?

In sum: Why the hell do you want to effectively, even eagerly, ENDORSE Islamists as holding the correct, sole and monolithic interpretation of Islam; especially when doing so can only assist our enemy in marshalling their forces, and dispirit or deligitimize their own internal foes?

Geez. We have to deal with our own deadly "fifth column" which our enemy actively promotes. Why assist the enemy in undermining the legitimacy (by denying even the reality) of their "fifth column"? We should be promoting (or at least quietly helping) anti-Islamist Muslims, not for God's sake helping our enemy in relegating them to the status of "unpersons".

32 posted on 11/19/2006 9:59:04 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Stultis
"Isn't the problem how the Koran is interpreted?"

It isn't a matter of interpretation. The "moderates" outright ignore major sections of the Koran. That's all well and good, but that means it only takes a religious revival before they become jihad supporters. One has only to see the example of the London 7/7 bombers.

" IOW they believe that the close association between religion and state that was instituted in Mohammad's time (and which Islamists treat as mandatory for the present and for all time) was in fact meant as an extengency for that time and place, and that religion and politics should be separate in the modern world"

Ah, but these people are a minority living in an Infidel, not a Muslim, state, are they not? Ask CAIR - which is supposedly "moderate" - what they want to see flying over the White House.
33 posted on 11/19/2006 10:53:26 AM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: sageb1
"I am in a constant state of amazement that so many freepers are still not aware or awake."

A few are even providing a smokescreen for Islam.
34 posted on 11/19/2006 10:53:56 AM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
Ah, but these people are a minority living in an Infidel, not a Muslim, state, are they not?

No. (That argument would in any case be moot in liberal, Western democracy.) As I mentioned there are for instance imams even in Iran who hold this position, and for obvious reasons are thereby in opposition to their government. But continue to pretend they don't exist or don't matter. That will it just that much easier for Iran, who of course is one of our main enemies, to kill, arrest and suppress them.

Ask CAIR - which is supposedly "moderate"

I agree that CAIR are fake moderates. Indeed I agree, even insist on emphasizing the fact, that there are MANY fake moderates. (The same was true, btw, during the Cold War.) The existence of fake moderates is no reason to ignore and undermine real moderate (or otherwise anti-Islamist) Muslims. Indeed the existence of fake moderates -- the fact that our enemy feels a need to co-opt, subvert and neuter the moderate stance -- only points that our enemy fears the potential influence of moderates, else why bother with the charades?

I want to encourage, buildup and legitimize what my enemy fears. I continue to be amazed that many freepers instead choose to legitimize and endorse the Islamist claim that theirs is the only legitimate and possible version of Islam. Why advance the propaganda of our enemy?

35 posted on 11/19/2006 5:38:51 PM PST by Stultis
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
It isn't a matter of interpretation. The "moderates" outright ignore major sections of the Koran.

Again, so (on such naive appraisal) do MOST Jews and MOST Christians wrt their religious writings. Yet we don't pretend that ultra-orthodox Jews and primitivist, fundamentalist Christians are the only "real" Jews and "real" Christians, and that the majorities who "ignore" (or, for the less naive, differently interpret) "major sections" (e.g. 99% of the Mosaic Law) of their religious texts are phony moderates, inconsequential and don't legitimately represent their religion.

36 posted on 11/19/2006 5:46:16 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Stultis
"(That argument would in any case be moot in liberal, Western democracy.) "

No, it wouldn't.

" But continue to pretend they don't exist or don't matter."

They don't matter. Their position is far too weak both politically and textually.


"The existence of fake moderates is no reason to ignore and undermine real moderate (or otherwise anti-Islamist) Muslims. "

There may be moderate Muslims, but there is NO moderate Islam. That's the point.

"I continue to be amazed that many freepers instead choose to legitimize and endorse the Islamist claim that theirs is the only legitimate and possible version of Islam."

Ignoring this fact is dangerous and avoids the problem. Just look at the example Mohammad set for his followers. THAT should tell you what Islam is.
37 posted on 11/19/2006 5:52:31 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: Stultis
"Again, so (on such naive appraisal) do MOST Jews and MOST Christians wrt their religious writings. "

Yes. However, when WE do begin following them, we aren't a threat to national security. That's the difference. A pretty major one, by the way.
38 posted on 11/19/2006 5:53:31 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: mirkwood

Glenn Becks special was better. It was on again at 7 tonight. it may come on again at 9 or midnight.


39 posted on 11/19/2006 5:53:46 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
They don't matter. Their position is far too weak both politically and textually.

You could have said the same thing, at some point, about Andrei Sakharov, Lech Walesa, not to mention thousands and thousands of other Soviet/Communist dissidents (most nameless) during the Cold War. Does that mean we shouldn't have made every effort then to legitimize and build them up? So why do you counsel the exact opposite strategy: lumping dissidents with our enemy, pretending they don't exist, and thereby making it easier for our enemy to marginalize and intimidate his own "fifth column"?

40 posted on 11/19/2006 6:21:23 PM PST by Stultis
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