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To: Stultis
"Isn't the problem how the Koran is interpreted?"

It isn't a matter of interpretation. The "moderates" outright ignore major sections of the Koran. That's all well and good, but that means it only takes a religious revival before they become jihad supporters. One has only to see the example of the London 7/7 bombers.

" IOW they believe that the close association between religion and state that was instituted in Mohammad's time (and which Islamists treat as mandatory for the present and for all time) was in fact meant as an extengency for that time and place, and that religion and politics should be separate in the modern world"

Ah, but these people are a minority living in an Infidel, not a Muslim, state, are they not? Ask CAIR - which is supposedly "moderate" - what they want to see flying over the White House.
33 posted on 11/19/2006 10:53:26 AM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
Ah, but these people are a minority living in an Infidel, not a Muslim, state, are they not?

No. (That argument would in any case be moot in liberal, Western democracy.) As I mentioned there are for instance imams even in Iran who hold this position, and for obvious reasons are thereby in opposition to their government. But continue to pretend they don't exist or don't matter. That will it just that much easier for Iran, who of course is one of our main enemies, to kill, arrest and suppress them.

Ask CAIR - which is supposedly "moderate"

I agree that CAIR are fake moderates. Indeed I agree, even insist on emphasizing the fact, that there are MANY fake moderates. (The same was true, btw, during the Cold War.) The existence of fake moderates is no reason to ignore and undermine real moderate (or otherwise anti-Islamist) Muslims. Indeed the existence of fake moderates -- the fact that our enemy feels a need to co-opt, subvert and neuter the moderate stance -- only points that our enemy fears the potential influence of moderates, else why bother with the charades?

I want to encourage, buildup and legitimize what my enemy fears. I continue to be amazed that many freepers instead choose to legitimize and endorse the Islamist claim that theirs is the only legitimate and possible version of Islam. Why advance the propaganda of our enemy?

35 posted on 11/19/2006 5:38:51 PM PST by Stultis
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
It isn't a matter of interpretation. The "moderates" outright ignore major sections of the Koran.

Again, so (on such naive appraisal) do MOST Jews and MOST Christians wrt their religious writings. Yet we don't pretend that ultra-orthodox Jews and primitivist, fundamentalist Christians are the only "real" Jews and "real" Christians, and that the majorities who "ignore" (or, for the less naive, differently interpret) "major sections" (e.g. 99% of the Mosaic Law) of their religious texts are phony moderates, inconsequential and don't legitimately represent their religion.

36 posted on 11/19/2006 5:46:16 PM PST by Stultis
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