The Libertarian Effect

Real Clear Politics ^ | 11/13/06 | ROSS KAMINSKY

[takenoprisoner]

Those casino's you can still go to were the big backers of that bill.

One of the largest lobbyists, The American Gaming Association, didn't back it. They backed a feasibility study to regulate it.

Regardless, the demopublicons, holding the majority in Congress, passed yet another law prohibiting Americans from exercising an individual freedom. This demonstrates to me that republicans, like democrats, believe that most Americans are simply unable to regulate their own indivdiual lives. Therefore, it is up to Congress to control our behavior with prohibition legislation.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Right, I know. I'm just as much against an intrusive government into the private lives of the citizens as much as the next guy. I am also against all these non-profits set up to lobby government to regulate what I can and cannot watch on TV or listen to on the radio. If I don't want to watch smut and garbage on the TV or listen to Howard Stern, I'll change the station and have always done so.

[Junior]

...then they applaud when their ideology sucks votes frpm Republicans and elects liberal Democrats.

Libertarian ideology did not "suck votes" from Republicans. Those votes don't "belong" to the Republican Party and are not theirs by Divine Right. If the Republicans field truly conservative candidates then they have nothing to fear.

[GOP_1900AD]

Who were the candidates I voted for? I don't think I ever mentioned it.

[photodawg]

The causal relationsip is between something that failed to occur and something that failed to occur. The two things that failed to occur were Republicans getting elected, and a bunch of them failing to get up off their ass and vote. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''


No, the assertion was that libertarians not voting for republicans did not cause republicans to lose. Both conditions actually occurred. You then go on to postulate the assertion that the republicans lost because some people didn't vote. which is the invalid statement since you are basing the fact that the republicans lost on the assertion that the people who didn't vote would have voted for republicans. This can't be proved since the individuals in question didn't vote. That, my friend is conjecture and simply cannot be substantiated. What we do know factually is that the LIBertarians had a large enough vote count to give the republicans the majority of votes, but did not vote for republicans. Two undeniable facts that result in the conclusion that the LIBertarians caused the republicans to fall 1.2% short of victory. conjecture about things that did not occur, while interesting hypothetically have no place in a discussion of factual causation.

[tacticalogic]

When you have to waffle around about whether out of 47% of the electorate you could find at least 2% Republicans, you're really, really desperate.

I understand Reagan's 11th commandment, but this is a local race and I'm registered as an Independent. I voted for Talent, the Republican candidate and he lost, by less than 2%. There were more than enough Republicans in that 47% to get him another 2% and they stayed home. If they do it again, it's going to happen again. Figure it out or get used to losing.

[lakey]

Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual. --Thomas Jefferson

From your freeper page - thanks!

[lakey]

Reading your misinformed comments, I must say, shows one and all why the Republican Party has become a failure.

[takenoprisoner]

I am deeply saddened (sarc/off) to report that Sam Hill was captured and subsequently silenced by informed freepers who ruthlessly and without prejudice tortured him with undeniable truths. Rumor has it that he returned to DU from whence he came. I'm in the process of searching snopes now to comfirm the veracity of the rumor.

[lakey]

Awww, returned to DU? Are you sure he wasn't DUI?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

But what about the key issues for Libertarians:

drugs,

Drug abuse is rampant and it's illegal

sex

None of your business who's screwing who

open borders

LOL - Borders are already open, Bush is about to sign an amnesty bill

and no troops overseas?

No neo-Wilsonian, spreading democracy, "winning hearts and minds" strategy

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

liberal-tarians

Liberals and Libertarians have nothing in common.

There are plenty of Libertarians who are pro-life, just as there are plenty of Republicans who are pro-abortion.

[jonesboheim]

Are all cultures equal? Hell no... Only a cultural Marxist would think so.

That's your definition of "Cultural Marxist"? I've never heard the term before, but confusing some egalitatian ethos with Marxism doesn't make any sense to me. Did you make the term up?

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

"Libertartian" (big "L") does not equal "libertarian" (small "l"), in case you did not notice my precise use of the term...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

"Cultural Marxist"? I've never heard the term before, but confusing some egalitatian ethos with Marxism doesn't make any sense to me.

Egalitarian = socialist = communist = Marxist...

Cultural Marxism is one path to economic Marxism.

[takenoprisoner]

The last I heard he was seen running down Pennsylvania Avenue screaming virulent and vulgar accusations regarding those 'effin' libertarians.

So yea, I would presume he was either drunk or gone mad.

[dixiechick2000]

ROTFLOLOL!

What have you done to Odd Job? ;o)

[devolve]

See!

I told you Odd Job would be recognized -

[dixiechick2000]

Did I win a prize? lol

[potlatch]

You are sounding like a 5 year old!!

I'll remember that "SEE" word!!