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1 posted on 11/09/2006 5:52:12 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

BUMP!


2 posted on 11/09/2006 5:56:39 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Tolik

Ping


3 posted on 11/09/2006 5:58:03 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Logic, right strategy, don't mean nothin.
The dims wanted power and were willing to mischaracterize, sacrifice everything good and turn it into failure in order to gain their power.
When we fail in Iraq because of them they will not care as long as they are in power. Of course it won't be their fault so everything is fine.
As long as they are in power.


5 posted on 11/09/2006 6:04:01 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: neverdem
Frankly, the moral of the story is that life is seldom fair. Look what happened to one of our country's greatest generals, Douglas MacArthur, removed by that turkey Harry S. Truman after he turned the Korean War around, because he wanted to win it.

If he'd had his way, clinton and carter wouldn't have had anyone to give nuclear weapons to in North Korea.

6 posted on 11/09/2006 6:05:13 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem

"Dean-Pelosi Democrats"

These folks appear to want abandon Iraq to provide a homeland for the terrorists.


9 posted on 11/09/2006 6:09:18 PM PST by Western Phil
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To: neverdem

Ouch. VDH pulls no punches...


11 posted on 11/09/2006 6:12:34 PM PST by Fury
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To: neverdem
Rumsfeld's supposed error that drew such ire was troop levels

I've taken this out of context, but adding a few hundred thousands more troops would have not stopped the terrorist. Even a million troops would have done nothing more than what we have done. This is not war now, it is insane persons willing to blow themselves up. It is almost impossible to detect them before the act no matter how many troops.

13 posted on 11/09/2006 6:27:45 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: neverdem
Abezaid, Casey, Petraeus, McMaster, etc. understand counter-insurgency and the need for a long-term commitment that marries political autonomy for the Iraqis with American aid, commandos, and air support. Rumsfeld supported them all.

Sorry Hanson. The American people voted against neo-con nation building schemes and conflicts. Iraq should have about as much political autonomy as Japan did after WWII.

14 posted on 11/09/2006 6:28:30 PM PST by KDD (Nihil est in intellectu quod non prius fuerit in sensu)
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I am sorry to seem him go; and certainly in his way. Seems they could have offered a 'fresh eyes/fresh look' if they needed it; but without dumping Rumsfeld.

I am particularly sick of the MSM's rallying cry and O'Reilly's and others at FoxNews, for that matter; just how disastrous is Iraq and the accompanying 'anger'. ..anger. . .anger. . . that they claim, ALL American's share.

Sick of media speaking 'for' me; and with their own bias and agenda it serves.

I do not know whether Rumfeld needed to leave or not; but sorry Bush thought this was he better way. . .

Meantime, the Pelosi Dems will turn their viitriol on Gates and remain the singularly most loathsome people on the planet - save the terrorists that is; but by the Dems own 'lights'; they are a close second.

18 posted on 11/09/2006 6:41:07 PM PST by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .SAVE THE TERRORISTS! VOTE DEMOCRAT. . .)
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To: neverdem

The minute the republican's in government begin to agee with the dems, expect the dems to turn on them and take opposite positions.

They can't help themselves.

The exception, of course, is the expansion of communism within our society.


21 posted on 11/09/2006 6:45:16 PM PST by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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"Don't blame Rumsfeld"?

Well i don't.

But i DO think that anyone with an ounce of political acumen would have realized months ago, that it was time for a new Defense Secretary, as i said here.

Just another example of republican mis-management.

MISMANAGEMENT! And from republicans! the group that ought to have done management right!


24 posted on 11/09/2006 6:50:17 PM PST by 9999lakes
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To: neverdem

I love Rummy. I hope for the best for him. I hope he writes a book to be released about say in Oct of 08. But, I wish people would take a deep breath and realize this was all planned months ago and Rummy was in on it. He isn't disgraced.


26 posted on 11/09/2006 6:59:36 PM PST by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: neverdem
Nov 7, 2006 - Stabilization after the Iraq war just became another VietNam. I feel sorry for our brave troops who will have Congress people running this conflict........

BTW, when did World War 2 end? Do we still have troops in Germany? Have any troops been harmed after Germany lost? Why are the democrats not saying that we have to end WWII????????

27 posted on 11/09/2006 7:02:21 PM PST by ErieGeno
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To: neverdem

Rumsfeld's mistakes:

1 - Not admitting from the start that Iraq would take 5-10 years for a plausible democracy to be established,

2 - Not beefing up the Army with manpower in 2002,

and

3 - Browbeating subordinates.

GWB's mistakes - 1 & 2, plus

Not taking responsibility for the conduct of the war ("Whatever the generals tell me" isn't an acceptable plan of action for the Commander-in-Chief), and

Not taking his case to the American people. It takes work to overcome the media, and he didn't do it.


31 posted on 11/09/2006 7:17:40 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: neverdem

I just hope that Rummy has been keeping good notes because he really does need to write a good book. Perhaps it can't be published right away, but the whole story, the REAL story, should be written and put in a vault for future release.


33 posted on 11/09/2006 7:21:11 PM PST by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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I don't see how the Reagan-Bush era 1980s and early 1990s policies in the Middle East—selling arms to Iran, putting troops in Lebanon and running when they were hit, cynically playing off Iran against Iraq, selling weapons to any thug in the Middle East, giving a blank check to the House of Saud, letting the Shiites and Kurds be massacred in February-March 1991—were anything other than precursors to the events of 9/11

Which is why there is little reason to take you seriously. Go back to growing grapes and teaching college.

42 posted on 11/09/2006 8:51:26 PM PST by Pelham (1 Billion Guest Workers doing Jobs Americans Won't Do.)
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45 posted on 11/09/2006 9:03:44 PM PST by Tolik
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To: neverdem

bttt


69 posted on 11/09/2006 10:56:25 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem; Tolik
The return of the realists-Baker, Gates, and the former advisors to GB I-should prove an interesting mix with the Dean-Pelosi Democrats. The latter used to call for idealism in foreign policy, then got it with GWB's democratization, then turned on him, and now will get the realism that they currently profess to favor. Don't hold your breath.

The boxes of blame were piling up in the Sec Def's office. Partisan politics demanded he load them on his shoulders and walk out the door with them. It adds further emphasis to the perception that the real battlefield is Washington DC not Baghdad. Think about what we've done in terms of the message it sent to the Middle East. It says violence is working. It says the reward for doing one's public duty is blame and ridicule. Is that an experience we should expect Iraqis and Afghanis to emulate?

What we've done is reward the chaotocats in the Iraqi parliament by blaming and then dumping one of the few qualified American leaders of this war. Rumsfeld has made great strides under excruciatingly difficult circumstances. It's our collective intolerance of difficult circumstances that made us do what we did. By “we”, I am referring to the American people - By “did”, I am referring to the act of creating anxiety among a presidential administration in the middle of a war to make them sacrifice a key member of their team.

I’ve read outstanding analyses that claim Western democracies can’t win small wars. I surmise Western democracies can’t function as if they are at peace domestically while they fight a difficult war abroad. Unfortunately, no amount of “political postulating” or “blame trading” will make national security threats disappear. War is an unpleasant reality that the Sec Def will forever be responsible for. As a nation, I think this is the message we are sending loud and unclear to the world:

"keep the world's wars behind the curtains Mr. President. I'd rather watch Borat joke about rape, racism and prostitution than consider alternative national policies to effectively combat dysfunctional societies. You, not them are the reason those dysfunctional societies state loud and clear they wants to kill us all. Fix everything by doing nothing Mr. President and get it done yesterday!"

70 posted on 11/09/2006 11:00:48 PM PST by humint (...err the least and endure! --- VDH)
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We were lucky to have him, there aren't many real leaders left anymore.


71 posted on 11/09/2006 11:28:58 PM PST by John Lenin
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