Posted on 11/09/2006 4:41:54 AM PST by KarinG1
"I was putting pebbles in a bucket and I was having a really good time."
Linda Jacquin was just four years old. Playing in the water though she was so young, she says she remembers everything. Including when her foot slipped off a rock and she was caught under the surface.
"I was underwater and I started breathing underwater because at four and a half years old, you didn't know you can't breathe underwater," she says.
What happened next isn't completely clear. But Linda says she began to leave her body -- floating away.
"With a vantage point of being in the corner of the room, I didn't have a body, but it wasn't frightening," says Dr. Pam Kircher, who says she too left her body while gripped in the pain of meningitis. She was six years old. There wasn't the medical equipment to say whether she really died or not. But the experience, she says, was from another place.
"I felt absolute peace and the feeling of being surrounded by God. It was perfect."
But for just a moment.
"As soon as I realized it was me, I was back in my body. So mine was a brief near-death experience, but it was profoundly influential in my life," Kircher says.
Linda recalls the view from above her body: "I saw blond hair floating on water, which was my blond hair. I was perfectly happy where I was. I felt safe, I felt loved, and I didn't want to go back in my body -- back in the place where I was."
Linda spent moments, she says, with her grandmother. Also with Jesus amid colors she says were more beautiful than any rainbow.
"The closest thing that I could say is that it looked like is when light hits an icecicle and it refracts for that brief second, and you see all colors at one time, but they're crystal clear," Jacquin says.
"I can remember how sad my mom and dad were and I could tell how panicky they were and then my gaze went to my brother Bobby. And I said I have to go back for Bobby -- he's going to be in a lot of trouble if I don't go back," she says.
She chose to go back. Others who have a near-death experience say they're powerless to go where they's heading -- only following or being carried. Most also say that they're bathed in warmth and love.
Debbie James has been a nurse her entire career, and is no less fascinated she says than when she first started noticing the phenomenon.
"Some people who had been in chronic pain say I am finally at peace -- it didn't hurt for the first time. So when you hear adults and children say those things, once again you've got to pay attention," she says.
"I don't know exactly what i believe about that in terms of where we go from here and if there's an afterlife and those kinds of things, but I can tell you I'm moved and encouraged by what they tell me."
Kircher says it is true, that she did leave her body all those years ago.
"Those people who have a near-death experience become very spirtual. What I mean by that is that there is something more than this material world."
Those who come back -- they call themselves "experiencers" -- unanimously say those who are allowed to come back from death have a profound responsibility. Many say it is given by God -- and it's to teach and to love.
"The only thing that exists on the other side is love. And if people just did that and had compassion for other people the world would be a lot better place," Jacquin says.
"I really do believe that we're here to learn about compassion and love, and anytime we're not doing that, we're not doing our job," says Kircher.
Morgan Palmer, reporting morganpalmer@kltv.com
http://www.near-death.com/muslim.html
The material here is pretty thin. One anecdotal story, a discussion of Sufism, and a discussion of M*hammed's experience as if it was an NDE.
Maybe they really, really don't want to come back after seeing the bright light.
I've heard similar stories - not everyone goes through a dark tunnel emerging to sweetness and light. Some describe going to a terrible places. One of the scariest stories I read was from a person who had attempted suicide and failed. They said they found themselves in a place crowded with many other people who were all walking around talking to themselves and banging into each other without paying attention to anyone else. The "nearly deceased" person assumed that because these people were selfish enough to kill themselves - they were also too selfish to acknowledge anyone else that was stuck in this same place.
This person was revived in the emergency room and said the experience completely opened their eyes and changed their life.
Who knows what will happen after death? Many have their own beliefs, but none of us will know for certain until it happens. And I'm in no rush to find out.
I didn't say it didn't happen, but God is not the only source here, surely you thought of that?????? hmmmm????
no belief in life after death - if there is no cause for belief in life after death, then everything - everything - is meaningless and there is no right nor wrong, IMHO (and in JCHO)
I did. When I "came back into my body", I knew it was because it wasn't my time yet. And even though I was busted up pretty bad, still pinned in the car, I felt strangely peaceful, relaxed. My wife says I was dead for about 4 minutes. She said she was yelling at me to wake up, slapping me in the face- (All she could do because I was pinned in the car) no response. I don't remember any of that, just slipping back into my body.
I can't comment on any light because the car ended up in a deep ditch full of snow, so it was light all around me when I regained conciousness. Then the sound started to come back. My car horn was stuck on, and it stayed that way until the battery died with was only a couple more minutes.
My hip and pelvis was broken, along with some ribs and a puntured lung, 3 vertebrae in my back, collar bone, and internal bruising.
I hurt for a long time after that, but strangely, not at all at the scene.
That strange peaceful feeling however, it is something you just can't explain away or forget. It's really overpowering.
oops, that last post was supposed to be in reply to buck61 (as quoted)
Anything to do with Mohammad (Satan's Prophet) and light is probably how bright the fires of hell are. Islam is Satan's religion- It's the exact opposite of what God tells you.
Ping for later.
John 3:16 For God so LOVED the world, he gave his only begotten son...
Can you imagine sacrificing your child, for any reason? And Jesus sacrificed Himself for us, who believe in Him, to be saved.
When we get passed the materialism and self worth, life really is a better place. And death is but a door to a better world.
Actually, most of the comments directed to me personally were very positive. I haven't gone back to look at the thread. It's 9AM where I live, way past my bedtime. I'll look 'tomorrow'. I believe as you do and carry with me a similar peace that I try to share with others.
I'm not sure how I feel about near-death experiences but these were children. I wouldn't think that children would have any preconceptions of death, it's hard enough for an adult to really understand.
Later read/pingout.
My daughter is a trauma nurse and has seen many things. Once, after someone had passed away, my daughter was standing in the hall charting and saw the woman standing outside her room. Obviously it was the woman's spirit as the woman had had spina bifida and had never 'stood up'. I asked my daughter if she told anyone what she had seen and she replied, "No, they would think I was crazy."
Go ahead...whistle past the graveyard. It's all right.
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