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New York City seeks to make it easier to change 'M' to 'F'
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | November 8, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 11/08/2006 7:13:19 AM PST by Graybeard58

NEW YORK -- The city wants to make it easier for transgender New Yorkers to switch the sex listed on their birth certificate even without undergoing sex-change surgery, putting the city at the forefront of efforts to redefine gender.

Under present city rules, only people who can show proof of surgery qualify for getting a revised birth certificate. Even then, the only change made is the elimination of any reference to gender on the document.

The new plan, unveiled in September, would let birth records reflect the new gender. It would also allow changes for people who hadn't had genital surgery, but could show substantial proof that they have undertaken other steps to irrevocably alter their gender-identity -- like undergoing hormone therapy.

The policy change is one that advocates for New York's sizable transgender community have requested for years, but which has taken on greater significance in a post-Sept. 11 world of increased security.

New Yorkers need to show picture ID to enter office towers, air terminals, public monuments and all sorts of government buildings. They need them to apply for a job too, or buy beer at a neighborhood deli.

The trouble comes when someone inspects those documents, and notices that a person's listed gender doesn't appear to match the way they look and dress.

"That can be a very dangerous situation for a transgender person," said Cole Thaler, transgender rights attorney.

for the national legal aid group Lambda Legal.

Thaler said having a birth certificate with a gender that matches a person's appearance will ease the way to getting other government records, including passports, drivers' licenses and Social Security records.

Lorna Thorpe, Deputy Commissioner of New York's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, called the current system "outdated."

"A lot of transgender persons use different techniques to switch genders," she said. Some try hormones. A smaller number undergo surgery -- in part because not everyone is medically capable of undergoing the procedure.

All but three states now allow people who have had a sex change to get a new birth certificate and New York City has done so since 1971. The city now issues about a dozen of the revised birth certificates a year.

Of the states that allow similar changes of birth certificates, almost all currently require proof of a gender-reassignment surgery.

Tennessee has a law expressly prohibiting a change of gender on a birth certificate. Ohio and Idaho also won't allow the change because of court rulings or as a matter of administrative policy.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: downthedrain; homosexualagenda; moralabolutes
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1 posted on 11/08/2006 7:13:24 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58
New York City seeks to make it easier to change 'M' to 'F'

If they mean change Monday to Friday, I support it. :^)
2 posted on 11/08/2006 7:15:35 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Graybeard58

Hey, I'd like to change "Monday" to "Friday" too!

Oh, nevermind.


3 posted on 11/08/2006 7:15:46 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Graybeard58

Does this mean we could have a Henry Clinton running for President in 2008?


4 posted on 11/08/2006 7:16:15 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Graybeard58

So, there are a lot of MF'ers in NYC?........


5 posted on 11/08/2006 7:19:45 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Graybeard58

Hey, at least they don't get their sex change surgery for free like they can here. They often have to wait 5-7 years for gender reassignment surgery on the NHS, but then have the nerve to complain about the wait! They're getting it for FREE, what do they have to complain about? I should be the one complaining.


6 posted on 11/08/2006 7:24:09 AM PST by nofaceveils
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To: Red Badger

So you can castrate a homo and it makes him a woman? On the ranch I grew up on, it would just make him a steer.


7 posted on 11/08/2006 7:28:09 AM PST by Concho (IRS--Americas real terrorist organization.)
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To: Concho

On the farm where I was raised it would make him "sausage"..........


8 posted on 11/08/2006 7:31:26 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: nofaceveils
Hey, at least they don't get their sex change surgery for free like they can here

Unless they're in prison.
9 posted on 11/08/2006 7:32:05 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Dixie Yooper
Oh yeah .. I'm going to go back to college and play on the girls varsity basketball team. I still have four years of eligibility.

And I can't wait for ladies' night ... No way I'm paying a cover charge

(extending their line of thinking). Also, even though I look like a Caucasian, I feel very African-American. Therefore, I will make sure to check that box whenever I submit my bids for government contracts (OR applications for anything OR my share of the J. Conyer's reparations proposal that will soon be on its way).

Also, last year we got particularly slow service at a Denny's ... maybe it's not too late to jump on that gravy train.

10 posted on 11/08/2006 7:35:42 AM PST by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Concho
So you can castrate a homo and it makes him a woman? On the ranch I grew up on, it would just make him a steer.

Just because you change the plumbing in your house does not change the foundation.

11 posted on 11/08/2006 7:37:38 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Unless they're in prison.

You gotta be kidding me. Do they really?!?!?!?!

12 posted on 11/08/2006 7:43:41 AM PST by nofaceveils
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To: Graybeard58

I guess Hillary wants to run as a man in 2008.


13 posted on 11/08/2006 7:50:06 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: nofaceveils

Yeah I'm kidding for now, although there have been a couple of lawsuits filed here in Massachusetts by inmates seeking a sex change.

We're still safe until our kooky supreme court ever gets their hands on it.


14 posted on 11/08/2006 7:50:56 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Graybeard58

"There is no reality, only interpretation."
-Dr. Phil


15 posted on 11/08/2006 7:53:21 AM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Yeah I'm kidding for now, although there have been a couple of lawsuits filed here in Massachusetts by inmates seeking a sex change.

We're still safe until our kooky supreme court ever gets their hands on it.

The thought of anyone getting that sort of surgery for free is nauseating. I think it's awful that they use invasive and irreversible surgery to correct a mental problem.

16 posted on 11/08/2006 7:56:02 AM PST by nofaceveils
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To: Graybeard58
Is this a backdoor (ooo, shouldn't have used that word) way of getting gay marriage? If two guys want to marry, all one has to do is convince a willing psychologist to check off that one is "really a woman inside", change the gender on the ID to female and, presto, you have a man marrying a woman.
17 posted on 11/08/2006 8:08:03 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Hey Kerry, What part of showing heels and ass is a winning strategy in Iraq?)
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To: sgtbono2002
I guess Hillary wants to run as a man in 2008.

Is it now possible, in NY, for Bill Clinton to change his sex on paper only, change his name to Barbara (or some similar name) and run for president in 2008?

18 posted on 11/08/2006 8:22:34 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: sgtbono2002

I thought Hillary was already a man?


19 posted on 11/08/2006 8:22:52 AM PST by benjibrowder (Insert tagline here!)
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To: sgtbono2002
I guess Hillary wants to run as a man in 2008.

A Black man. She'll be the first transsexual transracial president.
Michael Jackson, a White woman, will be her running mate.
20 posted on 11/08/2006 8:55:14 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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