Posted on 11/02/2006 8:26:18 AM PST by Dominic Harr
In a month of fighting on Iwo Jima, we had over 6,000 dead, 25,000 wounded.
And that was a victory.
And now, many Americans consider 2,500 dead/20,000 wounded over several years to be a loss!?
The only hope for victory the enemy has is American public opinion. We've won all the battles. We kill more of them than they kill of us. We hold most of the territory.
Yet I even see Rs calling this a 'failed' war, and suggesting we can't win.
Actually, it depends on what you mean. The last surviving Japanese soldier held out on an island till the 60s, if I remember correctly.
And we still occupy Japan and Germany till this day.
I believe this war has been successful. It achieves the objectives of calling out the enemy to fight in an untenable situation. They stand no chance of a military victory.
Of course it can work. Especially with the Baby Boomers, who are the only American generation in history so far to lose a war like this.
Yes, exactly, that's what I'm saying.
And thank you for your service. I can't tell you how much your sacrifice means to most of us.
And use words like "cake walk" to spark a debate. Because the world is ignoring the truth now. Won't even debate the topic. "It's a failure, it's all lost, it's a disaster".
We're wining in a cake-walk.
Yes, war is hell. Yes, it's hard on the soldiers. But we're kicking *arse*.
I can't say it better. BTTT.
Mechanicsvillle,
Gettysburg...
D-Day
Now there were casualties...
Bataan Death March...
No, didn't miss you one bit.
I have an issue with someone who is too intellectually weak or dishonest to be able to discuss an issue on its merits without having to resort to attention getting devices that are designed specifically to push buttons.
You don't have the convictions or the honesty to make that statement to the face of anyone who has served in combat in Iraq.
In front of Walter Reed, the Code Pinkos desert the scene every Friday night before the bus full of recovering soldiers returns from their night out, much for the same reasons.
Compared to Iwo Jima, it's a cake-walk. Would you agree with that?
Given that I have fought in neither place, I wouldn't dream of comparing one to the other. Maybe you could find someone who fought on Iwo and who has lost a son or a grandson in Iraq and ask them.
Arguing with an opinionated dumbass will not change their mind, and may bring you down to their level.
This guy is just interested in pushing buttons, it apparently gives him some kind of feeling of power. He doesn't get it, and is not interested in getting it.
Of course.
So, you don't think it noteworthy, or interesting to the context of this thread, that Planned Barrenhood kills more Americans every day than have died in Afghanistan and Iraq combined?
Japan and Germany are stable nations. They did not have waring factions as in several thousand year old grudge matches going on. We had an unconditional surrender from Japan and Germany in 1945 the fighting for all practical purposes ceased as we were fighting nations with one recognized government. Surrender meant just that to them. The war was successful up to the time we started engaging in nation building. If you think the three waring faction in Iraq are going to get along with each other you're only kidding yourself.
On the other hand we may be going into Iran next and possibly an attack on NK as well if Bush doesn't pull a LBJ {ala Pueblo} with empty threats. But I think you know what I mean though. World War Two ended with the surrender of Germany and Japan. When their government said stop fighting for the most part actually stopped. The troops almost immediately came home or the biggest majority. We are still in a gearing up status in Iraq with the U.S. State Department dictating our policy there. Wanna loose a war? It's easy to do just let diplomats start setting the agenda's. Korea, Nam, Gulf War 1, as examples.
BTW Japan has a strong alliance along with good trade relations with the U.S. you tell me the last time they killed a U.S. American Serviceman. When was the last time a Japanese terrorist group or tribe bombed an American? Our military presence there is for mutual benefit.
The M.E. nations see our State Department s being usefull dolts as a means of achieving their political goals and a tool to manipulate us with. They will talk us to death while at the same time taking American lives and getting stronger. Do you think they respect the State Dept or the so called U.N. Security Council? I sure don't. The do however respect or at least recognize brute force responses and do not see it as weakness to be tested.
Ever think of using those powers in a singles bar?
No, I don't think that's it at all. I blame it on A) leftist public school administrations across the country that do any- and everything to remove any semblance of patriotism from our schools (not to mention learning about our national heritage), B) an ultra-left mass media (no need to explain that one further here on this Forum...), and C) an even further left mass entertainment industry.
All combine to make Americans, especially youth....stupid, ignorant (yes, there's a difference), and anti-American.
Damn them all for it, too. Hear that, Ted Turner, you son of a bitch???
After you've repeated this several times I think it is time that you confessed that you have never been deployed to OIF or OEF theaters of combat, have you?
There are all kinds of goof balls who sit and make these kind of pronouncements from the safety of their keyboards and you're beginning to run strongly for win, place, and show.
Sure it does. The discussion was about perspective.
Why are you trying to put words in my mouth? I never called it a cakewalk. I have close personal friends who lost their Marine son in Najaf, and my son goes to boot camp in two weeks.
You are just mistaken, my friend.
I have said this to returning veterans. They *agreed*, and like the idea that they're kicking ass and creaming the enemy in a cake-walk. By which, as I stated clearly, I mean that the enemy has never once even threatened to win. Like wining a game 52-35, when you lead all the way. The enemy does score points -- but it was still a cakewalk.
You are free to continue to insult me as you wish, making it personal instead of making a point. I have managed to discuss and debated this topic, on the merits, with several other folks on this thread.
You, however, decided you'd rather take some specific words out of context and take issue with them. That is fine too, I have discussed it with you, will continue to do so if you wish.
I'm just an old-school FReeper. From back in the day when we weren't afraid to say things that were shocking. "Bill Clinton is an accused rapist". Etc, etc.
Now, I can't say "Democrats could out-spend a drunken sailor with a full paychek at a nudie bar" without someone like you complaining I'm insulting sailors.
Times, they are a'changing.
I don't understand why. I'm not saying the death and destruction on our side was easy. As I clearly stated in the very first post, I'm saying that compared to other conflicts, this has been a cake-walk.
If you aren't aware of what it was like on Omaha beach, or at Verdun, read about them. Then, perhaps, you might agree I have a point.
I clearly stated what I meant, and it is not what you read into my statement.
I think that says more about you, than it does about my word choices.
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