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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: Jaguarbhzrd
Any scientifically verifiable theory, should be willing to be scientifically vetted, why is ID above this?

Hey, that is what the ID adherents are asking for, to be placed into the arena to be challenged. It should be a piece of cake for evolutionists to completely discredit it in a classroom setting.

521 posted on 10/25/2006 11:38:00 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: SoldierDad
Sadly, so it would seem.

Again, you and I are in complete agreement.

522 posted on 10/25/2006 11:38:07 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
It seems to me we've gotten off on the wrong foot.

All I really wanted to say is that I'm proud of my six years of posting history. I was politcal before I came to FR, but I am not going to get in a competition with you to see who can crow the loudest about their accomplishments.

It didn't. SEE? You really, really, REALLY need to stop trying to be "funny" or "clever".

This is rather a rather unfair thing to ask, and I politely decline your request to stop being stupid.

523 posted on 10/25/2006 11:38:57 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd

Your appology is accepted. You may be right about the percent of people living off of the taxpayers. However, I don't think we could never change course if it climbs above 50 percent, although it would probably take another civil war to change our country back. Hopefull we won't have to go to that extreme. But, you are right. Time is running out with respect to getting over that 50% mark.


524 posted on 10/25/2006 11:39:18 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Sandy
Hell no. The only thing the anti-science types do well is make idiots out of themselves. They're an embarrassment to freepers, to conservatives, and to the GOP. Their insincerity--I mean their blatant repetitive lying and refusal to read or learn--is patently obvious to anyone who reads a few crevo threads. I work in a biochem department, and the general consensus there is that conservatives are just but a bunch of nutjobs who think science is some big anti-Christian conspiracy. Trust me, conservatives desperately need folks like you and Ich and PH to show that the general consensus is wrong. You guys do excellent work.

Hey, another 1998'er! Thank you for the support. Although now I seriously wonder if it's worth it, at least on FR. We've never been too welcome here, but lately management just keeps getting more & more arbitrary & petulant & - jeez - childish.

525 posted on 10/25/2006 11:39:46 PM PDT by jennyp (There's ALWAYS time for jibber jabber!)
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To: nopardons

Good grief, how have I offended you so?


526 posted on 10/25/2006 11:40:05 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd
"Otherwise, it's over, because as soon as half or a majority in this country get something from the government, we will never rise out of it."

We should start with banning unions in all public sector jobs. They hold up the government that employs them and taxpayers get stuck with the bill.
527 posted on 10/25/2006 11:41:06 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: Howlin
Do you know what was on the page? Perhaps it was offensive, huh?

Decide for yourself : The Mysteriously Missing Homepage of PatrickHenry

528 posted on 10/25/2006 11:41:15 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Texasforever
Make no mistake that many in the evolution camp are just as dogmatic in their defense of their science as the most rigid fundamentalist creationist.

Not true. If the theory of evolution is supplanted with a better definition to fit the evidence, then evolution will be left on the trash heap of history, along with all of the other discredited theories. No reputable scientist will continue to hang onto a dead theory.

And the creationists will still be there, attacking the theory that replaces it, using the same invalidated arguments, and still with not one shred of evidence to support their position.

They are not the same. Evolution is science. Creation is religion. Science and religion are not the same. How many times has a new study come out, which changes what we thought about the way things work, the theory is changed to accept the new data or discarded altogether in favor of a new theory, and the creationists scream about how science changes. Of course it changes. That is the very nature of science. As we learn something new, it changes our perspective on the workings of the natural world. Science and religion are not the same.

529 posted on 10/25/2006 11:41:27 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: nopardons
Don't push me; you will NOT like the reply. And FWIW, you're still wrong and out of touch with reality.

The more I consider it, the more I realize that tonight's thread and the subject of the article are related, and not simply because I posted a Goldwater quote upthread.

530 posted on 10/25/2006 11:42:04 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: wyattearp

If you are an educator how would you handle a creationist student? Would you just write him/her off as a lost cause as you have done in your post?


531 posted on 10/25/2006 11:45:28 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Liberal Classic
Yes, you DID get off on the wrong footings with me and it appears that you'd rather clown around and play the fool, than to do anything whatsoever, to even attempt to gain even a modicum of credibility with me. Pity that.............

You're the one who decided to pull out a "conservative" CV. And yes, you shouldn't bother to engage me in that "pissing contest" any further; you WILL lose.

Go try to play your silly games with someone else; ennui has set in, as you have now bored me to tears.

532 posted on 10/25/2006 11:47:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Liberal Classic

By acting in a juvenile manner.


533 posted on 10/25/2006 11:49:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Texasforever
When it comes to the complexities of nature is it unreasonable to look at it and ask how so much could have been accidentally brought into being?

That question has been asked a lot, and it has not been conclusively answered. It is outside the perview of evolution. Evolution is about what happens to imperfect replicators in a population over time. It is not about origin. It does not address it, and it never will. That would require another theory entirely.

Is that not a worthy area of scientific inquiry?

Hell yes! There's Nobel prize in it, I'm sure. People have been working on it for decades. No conclusive results, yet.

Why limit yourselves the mechanics?

That is what science is. Exactly. How does it work? Why does it work? What in the world does that thing do? That is science. Science does not address the supernatural, nor does it address miracles. That is outside of its scope. It will always be so. The attempts to teach ID in science class have been attempts to take science in a direction that it cannot go. The supernatural is not science.

534 posted on 10/25/2006 11:51:56 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: nopardons
You're the one who decided to pull out a "conservative" CV. And yes, you shouldn't bother to engage me in that "pissing contest" any further; you WILL lose.

Well, you jumped to the conclusion I was a cowardly retread. I had to give some bona fides.

Go try to play your silly games with someone else; ennui has set in, as you have now bored me to tears.

I'm actually trying to apologize for getting off on the wrong foot, but you're making it awfully hard.

535 posted on 10/25/2006 11:52:59 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Liberal Classic
ROTFLOL.....you're still wrong; as a matter of fact, you're damned dead wrong!

But that appears to be par for the course. :-)

536 posted on 10/25/2006 11:54:19 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: dread78645
Quite a homepage. I would have deleted it too.

It belonged on a Darwin blog, not FR. IMHO
537 posted on 10/25/2006 11:54:50 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: nopardons
Now, do you want to discuss the actual topic of this thread, or not?

This thread has gone over 500 posts. At this point, the conversations are the topics of the thread. Do try to keep up, will you?

Since you don't have a clue, I'll give you one: there are multiple topics currently being discussed, by a number of different groups. As people scroll through the posts, they are looking for their conversation. STOP SHOUTING! It is rude, and it is distracting.

If you can't find your conversation, check your ping list to get you back on track. And quitcherbitchin.

538 posted on 10/25/2006 11:57:19 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: nopardons
By acting in a juvenile manner.

Well, please accept my apology, I certainly didn't mean to give offense.

539 posted on 10/25/2006 11:57:32 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Liberal Classic
You have a very "funny" ( not HA HA "funny"; the PECULIAR kind of "funny" ) way of trying to apologize.

You led me down the garden path, to reach the conclusion you hoped I would and now, NOW, you're whinging about the fact that I took you at your word games?

Many a troll and a disruptor ( you're too late a joiner to remember the likes of Eschior et al ) have been on FREEPS and to things such as THE MARCH FOR JSUTICE. Hence "bona fides: tend to not impress.

Perhaps, some day, on a different thread, you will be able to show me that you aren't what I now think you are. Until then, adieu..............................

540 posted on 10/26/2006 12:00:06 AM PDT by nopardons
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