Posted on 10/21/2006 6:52:00 AM PDT by El Oviedo
News media converged on Tan Nguyen's Garden Grove campaign office Friday expecting to hear from the Republican congressional candidate about a mailer sent out this week warning immigrants against voting in the November election.
Instead, the media horde got a front-row seat to a half-dozen agents from the state Attorney General's Office serving search warrants and combing through Nguyen's office.
Officers confiscated three computer hard drives, checked for fingerprints, leafed through files and interviewed Nguyen's attorney. Agents also searched Nguyen's Santa Ana home and a campaign worker's Anaheim home.
Despite burgeoning state and federal probes into the flier, Nguyen's attorney said Nguyen has no plans to withdraw as the Republican nominee for the 47th Congressional District race against incumbent Democrat Loretta Sanchez.
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Please post original Spanish....the question is about "or you are an immigrant" part of the letter....
No, an immigrant can not vote. A naturalized citizen can vote. The wording is spot on.
Not so in California.
Just up in a polling place and you are given a ballot.
You are leaving out Lon Horiuchi and Ruby Ridge.
Your argument is a non sequitur.
The legal fact of the matter is that simply being a U.S. citizen does not automatically give you the right to vote in a Federal election and being an immigrant and being a citizen are two separate issues under the law.
A convicted felon that is a U.S. citizen does not have the right to vote.
A 17 year old U.S. Marine that is a U.S. citizen does not have the right to vote.
If you advise that 17 year old U.S. Marine that, "If you are a citizen of the United States, we ask that you participate in the democratic process of voting" you are advising the 17 year old U.S. Marine to commit a crime.
An immigrant can become a U.S. citizen but the fact that he is an immigrant rather than native born is a point of law that even the Constitution addresses in Article II, Section 1 as a disqualification for ever being President of the United States.
Under U.S. law, the rights of native-born U.S. citizens and immigrant U.S. citizens differ precisely because you can be both an immigrant and a citizen.
"U.S. citizen" and "individual entitled to vote" are not legally synonomous phrases.
In addition, "citizen" and "immigrant" are not legal antonyms.
This man was threatening U.S. citizens who were immigrants about "jail time" and "deportation" if they voted in a Federal election in violation of the intimidation provisions of the Voting Rights Act.
If you ever try to intimidate a U.S. citizen from exercising a civil right guranteed under law by threatening "jail time" or "deportation" or whatever other threat you want to throw in, you had better ensure that your legal wording and your legal logic is impeccable and that you can carry out that threat in a court of law EXACTLY as you phrased it.
If your threats can be excused only by having your attorney explain to the Judge, "what my client actually meant to say", you have a good chance of ending up with jail time yourself.
im·mi·grant (ĭm'ĭ-grənt) n. A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.
Please explain to me either:
A. Why I can not vote
or
B. When they changed the definition of "immigrant" in the dictionary.
IM·MI·GRANT (ĭm'ĭ-grənt) n. A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.
Please explain to me either:
A. Why I can not vote
or
B. When they changed the definition of "immigrant" in the dictionary.
Letter identified 3 distint persons - (1) US Citizens, (2) Illegals and (3)immigrants.l Between the word "illegal" and immigrants, is the word "or". Illegal and immigrant are not the same persons. The only people in this country who can be considered immigrants are those Green Card holders. People with visitors visa are not immigrants. Illegals may be considered as immigrants but the letter already identified illegals as persons who can not vote so they can not be considered immigrants since they are already identified as illegals.
The word "or" makes illegals and immigrants different. They are not the same according to how the letter was written.
Correct me if I am wrong. Show this letter to any grammar teacher and I am sure my interpretation is right.
The Vote Registrar of Orange County should have sent the letter.
The letter addressed 3 distinct persons. Citizens, illegals and immigrants. Why do I say this? Between the word illegal and immigrant is the word "or". So this 3 type of persons are distinct and not the same.
Bravo. You should send you comments to Attorney General, California.
Thanks--I knew i wasn't getting all of them.
Try this link:
http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/news/2006/10/20document.pdf
Thanks
That's the same one I got.
Seriously, Anybody can walk up and get a ballot and vote? No voter registration card, no ID?
Does that ballot have a process it goes though to be validated as a registered voter?
I live in the 47th congressional district, specifically Anaheim.
Loretta Sanchez isn't even from this district. Before she was elected, she lived in LA County,in an affluent area of Long Beach known as Bixby Knolls. She moved into the highly hispanic area of Garden Grove/Santa Ana because she knew that she could garner the hispanic vote. (the fact that hispanics would vote for only hispanics is racist...but thats another whole topic).
Since the 47th district is a democratic moajority, I am registered as a Liberterian (think shrink the fed govt) and have been voting my party line. However, this flap over an innoculous, information letter has me incensed.
I will definitely vote for Tan Nguyen. I urge anybody in the 47th to take note of what is happening before our very eyes... we are losing this area to an agressive and determined group of non-americans determined to take back the area that they claim was stolen from them.
Anyone living in the 47th understands that this whole area has degenerated into a third world country. Abandoned shopping carts, walls with graffiti, trashy streets, bi-lingual signs, over-crowded apartments with no street parking available, and 80% of the students getting free school breakfast and lunch.
Yup, welcome to Norte California
The letter is indeed addressed to three types of persons.
However, only two of those types of persons are mutually exclusive and therefore "distinct".
According to Webster's Dictionary, an immigrant is;
a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence
"Immigrant" has no bearing on your current citizenship status but only has a bearing on your past place of birth and how you ended up in the United States of America.
If you fell out of your mother's birth canal and landed in the United States of America, you are a native-born citizen and, in accordance with Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, are eligible to be President of the United States.
If you are a person who came to the United States of America to take up permanent residence, you are and will always be an immigrant. You may later become a citizen but your immigrant status will always disqualify you from ever being President of the United States in accordance with Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.
Of the three "types of persons" you mention, the adjectives deal with place of birth and citizenship status that are separate legal issues and can yield several different combinations of legal status.
Immigrant + illegal entry = Illegal Alien not eligible to vote
Immigrant + legal entry = Resident Alien not eligible to vote
Immigrant + legal entry or amnesty + naturalization = U.S. citizen eligible to vote after age 18 but not eligible to be President of the United States
Native born = U.S. citizen eligible to vote after age 18 and eligible to be President of the United States
The only "types of persons" that are "distinct" and mutually exclusive are "native born" and "illegal".
The Immigrant, however, can be anything from an illegal alien not eligible to vote to a legal resident not eligible to vote to a U.S. Senator or a Governor of California eligible to vote but not eligible to become President of the United States.
Original Spanish text of the letter:
“Se le avisa que si su residencia en este pais es ilegal o si es emigrado, votar en una elección federal es un delito que podra resultar en encarcelamiento, y sera deportado por votar sin tener derecho a ello.”
According to “Nueve Pequeño Larousse Ilustrado, Diccionario Enciclopedico”, adapatacion española de Miguel de Torro y Gisbert, Doctor en Letras Correspondiente de la Academia española:
“ EMIGRADO: emigrante.”
“EMIGRANTE: Individuo que emigra.”
“EMIGRAR: Salir de su pais para establecerse en otro”
So, in effect:
“Se le avisa que si {ha salio de su pais para establecerse en los EEUU}, votar en una elección federal es un delito que podra resultar en encarcelamiento, y sera deportado por votar sin tener derecho a ello.”
Either in English or Spanish, it is extremely careles language that states that, if you were born in another country and immigrated to the U.S., voting in a Federal election is a crime that could result in your imprisonment and would result in your deportation.
If you send out letters to a black neighborhhod telling people that, if they are convicted felons it is a crime to vote, you can get away with it.
If you send out letters to a black neighborhhod telling people that, if they are convicted felons OR if they are black, it is a crime to vote, you will have the FBI dragging you away in handcuffs.
I agree. It's too bad that whoever sent it didn't bother to dispense accurate information.
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