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Change a Light Bulb and SAVE!!!
DOE ^ | 10-10-2006 | DOE

Posted on 10/14/2006 3:37:44 PM PDT by soccer_maniac

If every household in America changed just one traditional light bulb to a energy-efficient compact fluorescent bulb at home, combined efforts would save 5.6 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity per year or $526 million a year in electric expenses. This would save enough energy to light more than 2.5 million homes for a year and prevent greenhouse gases equivalent to the emissions of nearly 800,000 cars.

CFL light bulbs use 2/3 less energy than standard incandescent light bulbs and last up to ten times longer. Replacing a 60-watt incandescent with a 13-watt CFL can save consumers at least $30 in energy costs over the life of the bulb. CFLs last longer and come in different sizes and shapes to fit almost any fixture. Additionally, CFLs produce about 70% less heat than standard incandescent bulbs, so they are safer to operate.

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To: Kay Ludlow
Dang power company anyway ;-)

Your list of problems indicate you had insufficient wiring in the previous home. This causes voltage to vary and this is fatal to motors, like compressors, and refrigeration.

Your light bulbs also suffer and anything else is subject to failure like computer power supplies and the like.

I see it all the time in my line of work.

121 posted on 10/14/2006 9:06:16 PM PDT by Cold Heat (I just analyze it, I did not create the mess...so go pound sand:-))
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To: kjo
Exactly. Fluoresents are overrated. They claim 30,000 or more hours and don't last anywhere near that long. They also take longer to come on. If the built-in ballast fails it can't be replaced. At the extra cost you don't save enough in energy to justify them.

Yup. They also produce RF interferance.

We just use lower wattage bulbs around here. It's not a "green" thing, it's a money thing.

I can't wait until the LED lights get cheap enough to use in bulk. I like those a lot. Cheap light, easy on the eyes, and they are cool to the touch.  

122 posted on 10/14/2006 9:10:00 PM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: Right Wing Assault

Ok, they have a 20,000 cps but what about spectrum? Also, the cost of LEDs vs fluorescent bulbs, how do they compare as to lumens/lifetime? If I remember correctly an LED has about a 10,000 hr rating, and they can be wired for 12 V or 120 V. I have a special application for LEDs : I'm in Eastern Star(women-masons that require a man-mason)and have to string cords for the 5 light-stands(w/2' fluorescents) every meeting(a hassle). So next week I'll research LEDs on a battery and get back to you.


123 posted on 10/14/2006 9:13:43 PM PDT by timer
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To: soccer_maniac

They give off crappy light, no way will I use them.

If they are short on power they can build more power plants, i'll use whatever amount I desire.


124 posted on 10/14/2006 9:25:50 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: VOA

Thanks for the CCrane link. They are too expensive for most purposes IMO, but a few of those look really interesting. I fully expect LEDs to come down in price dramatically within 5 years or so.


125 posted on 10/14/2006 9:28:16 PM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: sitetest

"We had a bunch in the recessed lights in the kitchen."

Read the fine print on the ballasts and you'll find that most all of these will have some sort of warning against using in recessed or totally enclosed fixtures. Some do better than others, but if you don't heed the warnings you are going to have some burn out prematurely.


126 posted on 10/15/2006 12:30:10 AM PDT by TKDietz (")
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To: soccer_maniac

I got about 10 of them in my house, no problem. They take a second to light up and a bit more to get "warm", but that is hardly a problem.

I do have to get a few that are dim-able for some dimming lights.

They are a great value, they provide good quality light, and they use much less electricity. Until LED lighting (which is even MORE efficient) become cost effective, CFL's are your best bet.


127 posted on 10/15/2006 12:36:15 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Say what you will about America. 13 bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I have four children under the age of 10. They have not figured out how to turn off lights yet. I come home from work in the evening and the entire house is lit up like a XMAS tree. I have replaced almost all of my lights with these bulbs. Seems to be working fine.


128 posted on 10/15/2006 12:40:11 AM PDT by P3pilotJAX
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To: timer
The problem with LED lights is that they are expensive and not yet as efficient as fluorescents. What you need to look at is the lumens to watt ratio. How many lumens will the bulb produce per watt? The LEDS I've seen at least don't come close to fluorescent lights in this respect. Some four foot T8 tubes with an electronic ballast can get up there around a 100 lumens per watt. Compact fluorescents are mostly around the 65 lumens per watt range. Most LED's won't get half that. Incandescent bulbs for the most part produce less than 15 lumens per watt. LED's last longer though and are great for fitting into small places and for uses where you don't need a lot of light. They're getting more efficient though.
129 posted on 10/15/2006 12:56:25 AM PDT by TKDietz (")
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To: FlyVet
"It makes me think the ballast is the weak point"

Yes, and if you live in an area of thunderstorms the cost savings can be negated by ballast failures.
While I like the fluorescent bulbs, I had poor luck with the lifespan.

I think incandescent will be replaced, but probably by LED technology
130 posted on 10/15/2006 1:05:54 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: soccer_maniac
I replaced all of my usual application 75watt incandescent bulbs with: http://www.lightsofamerica.com/brightbulb.htm and have been very happy. The light quality is excellent and my bills are lower.
131 posted on 10/15/2006 1:47:45 AM PDT by gdc314
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To: sitetest

They're crap. Wait until one or more of them start to burn out, the smell and the extra heat generated when they go, has you looking the house over for a fire. In the early morning hours, waking up to that heat smell, well that'll do more for you than coffee! I now burn exactly zero in my house. Blackbird.


132 posted on 10/15/2006 4:18:15 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (What if they held an election, and no one came?)
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To: sitetest
We use 'em, but they don't seem to last much longer than regular bulbs.

Just my experience, we've placed them in a few areas in the house. One is a light we keep on for safety at night. The average bulb burned out within 2-3 months. The fluorescent bulbs have gone 2-3 YEARS.

We are quite impressed and we are replacing other bulbs in the house as they burn out.

133 posted on 10/15/2006 4:26:22 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: OldFriend
I changed a light bulb and got static in nearby appliances, such as the radio and TV. It takes forever until the bulb is at full brightness and generally gives off a yellowish cast.

Here is a true sore-point with these bulbs. In the above post, the light I'm referring to does emit a high frequency pitch that is barely audible, but obvious when you turn it on and off.

I haven't installed any of these bulbs close to electronic equipment. Now that you've made the association, I'll look for it in the bulbs we use now. They are just aren't noticable in their current location. Still, it would stop me from placing them in the home near electronics.

134 posted on 10/15/2006 4:29:14 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: soccer_maniac
Haven't read the comments yet. Some may describe this as gov't sticking its nose in.

I am one who uses these bulbs, which my young nephew described as "curly" :) in all but three sockets.* I do so, without gov't say-so, for two reasons:

1. I get the light of a 100W incandescent for 23W.

2. They are advertised, I think accurately, as having the same spectrum as the sun. At any rate, incandescent bulb light seems a dingy yellow by comparison.

They seem to last longer as well. In short, I get 200W of light in each of four rooms, in a nicer (to me) spectrum, for the price of 46W, and the higher price of the bulbs seems to be offset by lower electric bills and longevity. I recommend them to anyone who asks, which is everyone who visits my home :)

*IMO they haven't yet developed a good-enough-for-me three-way bulb, so one of my lamps uses the old style. AFAIK, they haven't done any appliance bulbs either, so the fridge and oven are old-style as well.

135 posted on 10/15/2006 4:32:14 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Day 150 (counting up))
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To: ken in texas

I just buy what is cheapest at WalMart. I have not had bad experiences with whatever they sell.


136 posted on 10/15/2006 4:34:02 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Caipirabob
I use it in the hallway to the garage. Perfect spot for it. You have to buy a really really high wattage bulb if you're going to use it in a reading lamp. It's also good for a lamp that you want to leave on when no one's home. Haven't been impressed yet. Bought mine in Lowe's.

Put them in the bathroom and they interfere with the shower radio, which is battery operated. :>(

137 posted on 10/15/2006 5:07:44 AM PDT by OldFriend (ANNOY THE MEDIA ~ VOTE REPUBLICAN)
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To: sitetest
We use 'em, but they don't seem to last much longer than regular bulbs.

Can you use them in table lamps??

I bought a pack of 4 for $7-8 (at the eeeevil Walmart)for my Hubby's garage but not sure if a lower what bulb is good for lamps.
138 posted on 10/15/2006 5:25:04 AM PDT by submarinerswife
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To: soccer_maniac
combined efforts would save 5.6 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity per year or $526 million a year in electric expenses.

It would also cost consumers an additional $1 billion a year just to buy the dang things, considering they cost $5.50 each compared to about 40-cents for a conventional bulb.

139 posted on 10/15/2006 5:30:50 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: Cold Heat
Your list of problems indicate you had insufficient wiring in the previous home.

Maybe, although my husband had some electrical experience, and always watched that we didn't put too much on any of the circuits. At our first house (150 years old), when the lights dimmed each time the washer changed cycles I readily believed that was the problem. At the second house (referred to in my earlier post) I didn't have anything like that. Our area, though, was a growth area that needed some substation expansion. After the power company chose about their fifth location for it, prompting yet another NIMBY revolt, they gave up and said just live with your power problems... The power would go off 3-10 seconds in the mid-morning most days - my understanding was that the power company was shifting the load, doing it by the quick and easy one off, the other on method rather than the longer method that avoids disruptions. A friend of mine (who was also a township supervisor) said someone had told him that years ago, and when it got too bad (longer outages or happening a couple times a day, he'd call the power company and tell them they needed to stop that and give us consistent power, and it would stop for awhile (he just lived a couple blocks from me). I understood that the power-on-power-off was probably what was playing heck with my lights and appliances. My next-door-neighbor didn't have that problem, but he had installed a whole-house UPS not long after after he moved in ;-)

140 posted on 10/15/2006 6:12:25 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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