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To: Stultis
If ID really were science, there would obviously be a "valid secular purpose" to teaching it in a science classroom.

I disagree. Science has generally been taught with intelligent design as its underlying principle for decades, hence it has a valid secular purpose. The purpose does not even have to be secular in the first place, as our Constitution does not prohibit any interface or intermingling between science and religion.

The Constitution in no way prohibits the expression of any idea - religious or not - in a public, scientific, academic context and in fact guarantees free expression of the same. The only thing prohibited is government endorsement of a particular religious sect or denomination. ID is hardly party to a particular religion and in fact is demonstrated by all humans on a regular basis.

If evolutionism were pure science it would not be seeking the federal government's assistance in squelching ideas that make sense. What it is, however, is a philosophy of history built upon miscellaneous disciplines of science undertaken with the arbitrary, unscientifically determined notion that the "supernatural" is beyond its purview.

Science does not have the prerogative of declaring religion or ideas in accord with religion as having no basis in objective reality any more than science has the prerogative of declaring thoughts to be outside of objective reality.

411 posted on 10/16/2006 4:36:15 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Science has generally been taught with intelligent design as its underlying principle for decades

Yeah. We all (wearily) understand that this is completely true by YOUR definition of "Intelligent Design," which is that any recognition, whatever, of order or regularity in the universe is ipso facto, ID.

The problems are that 1) No one else, not a single person I've ever heard of or come across, and certainly no on in the "ID movement," uses your definition of ID, and 2) it doesn't distinguish anything, since ALL scientific theories, INCLUDING evolution, predicate order and regularity in nature.

You may continue your tiresome exercise in tautology at your own discretion, but this will comprise the totality of my response for the present thread.

425 posted on 10/16/2006 6:12:46 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Fester Chugabrew
The only thing prohibited is government endorsement of a particular religious sect or denomination.

ESTABLISHMENT!!

427 posted on 10/16/2006 6:13:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
ID is hardly party to a particular religion

Phillip Johnson, a lawyer by trade, father of the ID movement, and co-founder of the Discovery Institute's ID program, said ID is "just another way of packaging the Christian evangelical message." The strategy as stated in their "Wedge Strategy" document is to whitewash Creation, make it acceptable as science, and then get it into the science class for the purpose of evangelism. The leading people involved in ID who have academic credentials have also stated that the "designer" is the Christian God.

Intelligent Design is not about advancing science, but about advancing the Christian God. That's why it belongs in a religion or philosophy class, not a science class.

445 posted on 10/16/2006 8:07:43 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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