FOLEYGATE RESEARCH(vanity)

research | 10/12/06 | penelopesire

[penelopesire]

here goes nothing:

I wrote this to you all last week(just didn't send it)....since then, much has come to light! My stuff has been sent to the FBI and Hastert's office from a (you'll love this).....KINKOS....lol.

However..the FBI has my real name and all relevant info, should they ever give a damn.

But this much I have ready to go tonight. Please excuse the typos, the somewhat disjointed format, etc.:

Dear Fellow Freepers,

Many of you have written and asked me to let you know what my research into the whole Foleygate has revealed and I think it is time to put it out there and let you folks decide. Whether or not it is later to be discovered as a piece of this Foley Scandal, IT IS STILL EXTREMELY DISTURBING! When several Freepers brought up blogactive.com the first day the scandal broke, I went there to see what it was all about. It disgusted me the minute the first page opened and it was obvious this man was a vicious little gay blackmailer and extortionist! After reading through the site and doing some googling around with his name, MR. MIKE ROGERS could be nothing but the prime ‘suspect’ in this whole affair. As most of you know by now, he admitted as much. So while the really good freeper’s were getting to the bottom of the immediate questions, like who were the actors, who sent the emails and instant message and who knew what and when, I was still trying to google Mike Rogers into the bottomless pit of the internet….lol. A fellow freeper( who doesn’t want to be named) sent me a link to Mike Rogers resume online and that was what really got the ball moving in a more focused direction.

Here is what I discovered:

His last known job was listed as a fundraising consultant for Marge Barton & Associates out of NY from 1/97-present. So I started there and from what I can tell, Marge Barton is deceased now, but was instrumental in starting a company called gayellowpages.com (one y, not two). Then I did a domain search on the site where I found it and here is what it turned up:

ghttp://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/09/30/150710.phpayellowpages.com

Registrant: Make this info private

The Gay Yellow Pages PO Box 533 Village Station New York, NY 10014-0533 US

Domain Name: GAYELLOWPAGES.COM

Administrative Contact : Green, Frances 102315.1754@COMPUSERVE.COM PO BOX 533 NEW YORK, NY 10014-0533 US Phone: (212) 420-1127 Fax: (212) 420-1126

Technical Contact : Ard, Ferrell ** ferrell@BADPUPPY.COM 414 High Point Dr. Cocoa, FL 32926 US Phone: 1-321-631-9500 Fax: 1-321-631-8028

Record expires on 09-Apr-2008 Record created on 08-Apr-1997 Database last updated on 27-May-2006

Domain servers in listed order: Manage DNS

NS2.BADPUPPY.COM 12.41.88.211

NS1.BADPUPPY.COM 12.41.88.8

Show underlying registry data for this record

Now..pay attention to this character above and the address: Ferrell Ard and 414 High Point Drive, Cocoa, Florida 32926

I then decided to go to the website that his email indicated. Badpuppy.com Not going to link it because it is a disgusting gay porno and ‘hook up’ site. I hurriedly copied the URL and went searching domain registers with that site. That domain search turned up other intriguing clues. It is Registered as Bad Puppy Enterprises , Inc. A man by the name of William Pinyon and Ferrell Ard at 414 High Point Drive, Cocoa, Florida. I won’t waste bandwidth printing out the domain results, but you can go look them up if you are interested. I later discovered he has several gay porn sites.

Next I decided to google Ferrell Ard into the wee hours of the morning and here is where it gets intriguing. One link I found for him was on POLITICS1 website:

Politics1.com

Looking for his name on the site, I found an ad that said this:

http://www.politics1.com/websites.htm

from the site:

"Softec Systems is proud to host the Politics1 site and provide it with fast, responsive technical support. We also host the popular HillZoo.com site for Congressional staffers and the homepage of The Congressional Club (the official organization for Congressional spouses). Softec provides a full range of Internet services including website hosting, high-speed dedicated business connections, DS-3 and T1 connectivity, USENET feeds, DNS, email, dual redundancy and website development. Regardless of whether you're running for town council or US Senator, we have affordable plans that will fit your budget. Visit Softec at www.softecsys.net to learn more. Over 17,000 clients in 72 countries around the globe. Principals: William G. Pinyon, Ferrell Ard. Address: 414 High Point Drive, Cocoa, FL 32926. Telephone: 321.634.1878 (Toll Free: 800.766.0795)."

WTH???? Softec is 'hosting' webpages for CONGRESSIONAL STAFFERS??

So off to the Softec Systems site where I found this:

Meet Our Staff At Softec Systems we have put together the finest staff in Central Florida. Executives President and CEO William G. Pinyon Vice President Ferrell Ard Sales Team William Pinyon Ferrell Ard Lisa Turner Web Publishing Team Benjamin Morton Carol Morton David Watson Visual Design David Watson Customer Support Team Supervisor Dick Brown Nick Braun Jeff Goodrich Shawn Layton Mario Davis Software Development Supervisor Max Zechinato Michael O'Neil Pete Hankins Curt Camp Products/Shipping Steven Wojcik Network Administration Ferrell Ard In House Operations Finance David Paquette

NOW, I really could not sleep, so I decided to make a pot of coffee and pull an ‘all nighter’.

The domain search on politics1 turned up this:

Administrative Contact: Ron Gunzburger Ron Gunzburger 409 NE 17 Avenue Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301-1345 US Phone: 954-557-4911 Email:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @politics1.com

Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Register.Com Domain Registrar 575 8th Avenue - 11th Floor New York, NY 10018 US Phone: 902-749-2701 Fax..: 902-749-5429 Email: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @register.com

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.SOFTECSYS.NET 12.41.88.9 NS2.SOFTECSYS.NET 12.41.88.212

Register your domain name at http://www.register.com

HERE WE GO AGAIN……SOFTEC SYSTEMS AGAIN ABOVE

(MANY MAY KNOW ALREADY) MR. GUNZBURGER IS A PRETTY NOTORIOUS POLITICO FROM FLORIDA. His mother was made famous in the 2000 recount in Broward County. Here is his Wikipedia entry:

Ronald M. "Ron" Gunzburger (b. 1963) is a Florida attorney, communications consultant, and publisher of the Politics1.com website. Born in New England, Gunzburger grew up in South Florida. He earned his B.A. degree in Political Science from George Washington University in 1984, and then worked as a legislative assistant in two Congressional offices on Capitol Hill. He then went to Vermont Law School, where he earned the J.D. degree cum laude in 1987. Specializing in direct mail and message development, Ron Gunzburger worked as a professional campaign consultant for 20 years in over 125 campaigns ranging from municipal races through Congressional campaigns. His innovative and often humorous campaign ads have been featured on NBC's Today Show, CNN's Headline News and in numerous print articles. Selected by the US Secretary of Defense, Gunzburger spent nine days participating in DOD's prestigious JCOC program in 2001. Most recently, Gunzburger volunteered in January 2004 as a Howard Dean campaign GOTV ward captain in Concord, New Hampshire during the primary campaign. He remains active in numerous civic and progressive organizations. A trial attorney since 1988, Gunzburger has previously served as an Assistant Public Defender, an Assistant Attorney General of Florida (RICO Unit, Economic Crimes Division), and as a litigation partner in a large national law firm. Gunzburger was a candidate for Broward County Judge in 1994, losing in the run-off (45% - 149,000 votes). He was again a candidate in 2002, challenging an incumbent Circuit Court Judge in the 17th Judicial Circuit (Broward County) of Florida – in a county where no incumbent circuit judge had lost a race for re-election in over 60 years – but missed qualifying for the run-off by a 2% margin. He is currently General Counsel and Director of Administration for Broward County Property Appraiser Lori Parrish. The South Florida Business Journal honored Gunzburger and 39 others in 1998 with its prestigious "40 Under 40 Award" for achieving career excellence before age 40. [edit] Politics1.com Moving into the realm of new media, he created and launched the Politics1 web site in late 1997. While the site initially published a political newsletter (The Politics1 Report), Gunzburger converted the weekly newsletter into an online blog in late 2001. On May 6, 2006, Gunzburger announced that he intends to run for a Broward County, Florida judge, and turn the day to day operations of his website to his partner, Dana F. Buker [1]. A few days later, he announced that he decided against running for judge, even though it was likely that he would run unopposed, because of his passion for politics [2]. He has therefore resumed running his website. [edit] Family Ron Gunzburger is the son of Sue Gunzburger, who earned national attention for her prominent role in the 2000 Presidential recount as the Broward County Commission Chair who served on the Broward County Election Canvassing Board. Ron got his first political experience working on his mother's winning campaign for Hollywood, Florida, City Commissioner in 1982. In June 2006, Gunzburger went to Toronto to marry his partner of 19 years, Dana Buker [3]. [edit] External links • Ron Gunzburger's biography on his website Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Gunzburger" Categories: 1963 births | Living people | American entrepreneurs

INTERESTING….ISN’T IT? It can be safely assumed at this point in the dig that he and Ferrell Ard know each other in some way, since Ferrell Ard bought ad space on his website. But it is not conclusive. So let’s continue……and leave Ron Gunzburger here for the moment and head back to Mr. Ferrell Ard from 414 High Point Drive, Cocoa, Florida 32926..shall we?

Upon further reading on Ferrell Ard, I discovered that our little model businessman is a member in the BBB in Florida:

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:Nx8SHz2m7hIJ:www.orlando.bbb.org/codbrep.html%3FID%3D12001172%26cons%3Dy+%22Ferrell+ARD%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=17

and the Chamber of Commerce:

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:SjMsu20ZuzEJ:www.cocoabeachchamber.com/home/Pages/MemberSearchAlphaPage.cfm%3Fletter%3DS+%22Ferrell+ARD%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=11

But I digress….now back to the really disturbing part:

RON GUNZBURGER

Gunzburger’s move to Hillzoo according to Law.com:

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:hmzMz4wksUwJ:www.law.com/special/professionals/amlaw/lateral/jkl.html+%22Lobby+For+Me,+Inc.%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd

WELL WELL WELL…now we have a good reason to believe Ron and Ferrell are pretty tight! I am not sure when SOFTEC SYSTEMS, which is owned by the GAY PORN KING, got the gig over at HILLZOO. COM or whether Gunzburger was even there when he got it. But it might be a good question for the media to ask him or a grand Jury!!

Domain results for hillzoo.com: Registrant: Lobby For Me, Inc. Lori Walker 7721 Schelhorn Road Alexandria, VA 22306 US Email: *******@lobbyforme.com

Registrar Name....: REGISTER.COM, INC. Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com Registrar Homepage: www.register.com

Domain Name: hillzoo.com

Created on..............: Tue, Jul 04, 2000 Expires on..............: Sun, Jul 04, 2010 Record last updated on..: Thu, May 18, 2006

Administrative Contact: Lobby For Me. Inc. Bill Sarpalius 908 Pennsylvania Avenue, S.E. Washington, dc 20003 US Phone: 4105077865 Email: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @hillzoo.com

Technical Contact: Lobby For Me. Inc. Bill Sarpalius 908 Pennsylvania Avenue, S.E. Washington, dc 20003 US Phone: 4105077865 Email: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @hillzoo.com

DNS Servers:

dns1.textdrive.com dns2.textdrive.com dns3.textdrive.com dns4.textdrive.com

Register your domain name at http://www.register.com

WELL..it is hidden pretty good..but another domain search later under LOBBYFORME and we get this:

WHOIS results for lobbyforme.com Generated by www.DNSstuff.com [Caching always on for search engines and InfoPath]

Registrar: REGISTER.COM, INC. Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK [the normal status for a domain when it is locked] Dates: Created 25-oct-1999 Updated 29-aug-2006 Expires 25-oct-2007 DNS Servers: DNS11.REGISTER.COM DNS12.REGISTER.COM

I was referred to whois.register.com; I'm looking it up there.

The data in Register.com's WHOIS database is provided to you by Register.com for information purposes only, that is, to assist you in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. Register.com makes this information available "as is," and does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via direct mail, electronic mail, or by telephone; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to Register.com (or its systems). The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this data is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Register.com. Register.com reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms.

Registrant: Bill Sarpalius Bill Sarpalius 124 Eareckson Stevensville, MD 21666 US Email: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @usadvantage.us

Registrar Name....: REGISTER.COM, INC. Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com Registrar Homepage: www.register.com

Domain Name: lobbyforme.com

Created on..............: Mon, Oct 25, 1999 Expires on..............: Thu, Oct 25, 2007 Record last updated on..: Wed, Aug 30, 2006

Administrative Contact: Bill Sarpalius Bill Sarpalius 124 Eareckson Stevensville, MD 21666 US Phone: +1.2024381900 Email: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @usadvantage.us

Technical Contact: Softec Internet Services Ferrell Ard 414 High Point Drive Cocoa, FL 32926 US Phone: 321-634-1878 Email: *******@softecsys.net

DNS Servers:

dns11.register.com dns12.register.com

Register your domain name at http://www.register.com

LOOK CLOSE…SOFTEC SYSTEMS IS UP THERE….Wonder why he did not provide his email at BADPUPPY over on Capital Hill? Inquiring minds want to know…….. Let’s go back to Ron Gunzburger for a moment…shall we?

(Later, I will post my research on Bill Sarapalius(owner of domain and former democrat member of Congress from Texas)

Gunzburger has his own web page:

Gunzburger.com (not linking to these sites and you can probably guess why…but you guys can go….lol) But here’s the Domain search: WHOIS results for gunzburger.com Generated by www.DNSstuff.com [Caching always on for search engines and InfoPath]

Registrar: REGISTER.COM, INC. Status: ACTIVE [the normal status for a domain when it is unlocked] Dates: Created 05-nov-1999 Updated 11-oct-2002 Expires 05-nov-2011 DNS Servers: NS1.SOFTECSYS.NET NS2.SOFTECSYS.NET

I was referred to whois.register.com; I'm looking it up there. The data in Register.com's WHOIS database is provided to you by Register.com for information purposes only, that is, to assist you in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. Register.com makes this information available "as is," and does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via direct mail, electronic mail, or by telephone; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to Register.com (or its systems). The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this data is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Register.com. Register.com reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms.

Organization: Ron Gunzburger Ron Gunzburger 409 NE 17 Avenue Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301-1345 US Phone: 954-557-4911 Email: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @politics1.com

Registrar Name....: Register.com Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: GUNZBURGER.COM

Created on..............: Fri, Nov 05, 1999 Expires on..............: Sat, Nov 05, 2011 Record last updated on..: Fri, Feb 24, 2006

Administrative Contact: Ron Gunzburger Ron Gunzburger 409 NE 17 Avenue Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301-1345 US Phone: 954-557-4911 Email: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @politics1.com

Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Register.Com Domain Registrar 575 8th Avenue - 11th Floor New York, NY 10018 US Phone: 902-749-2701 Fax..: 902-749-5429 Email: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @register.com

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.SOFTECSYS.NET 12.41.88.9 NS2.SOFTECSYS.NET 12.41.88.212

Register your domain name at http://www.register.com

AWE…..How sweet. They really do know each other. Looks like that old ‘badpuppy’ and Ron do a lot of business together!! NOTICE THE DNS SERVER!! NS1.SOFTECSYS.NET NS2.SOFTECSYS.NET

YEP….THAT’s ole BAD PUPPY, Ferrell Ard!!

This is pretty interesting too, but irrelevant(maybe):

Gunzburger marries Boyfriend

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:kynlypEOn4kJ:shamgarreport.blogspot.com/2006/06/ron-gunzburger-marries-boyfriend.html+Ron+Gunzburger&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

You guys can google Ole Ron and find out that he dropped out of some race in Florida under pretty intriguing circumstances….. I am sure you can find lots of other connections.

Now we know from other great bloggers work out there the connection between John Avarosis and Mike Rogers…..

And here we have Melanie Snow from CREW with John Aravoisis:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=%22Melanie+Sloan%22+%2B+%22john++aravosis%22&btnG=Search

There is lots more…but this is enough to ask ourselves some very important questions at this point. There are certainly lots of intriguing questions here….. and it may just be nothing (according to the Florida FBI chick I talked to yesterday) In the middle of my story, she asked me what was wrong with this PORNO KING RUNNING WEB SITES FOR CONGRESSIONAL STAFFERS and why he could not have two businesses.

Enter heavy sigh and a call today to the Texas boys! I doubt they will call me back either…...we’ll see. She just took the info and pretty much tried to get rid of me the minute I brought Ron Gunzburger into the mix!! Maybe she is a democrat….lol… I honestly did not know who the man was before I began this search…..lol

Here are my questions, regardless of whether this SOFTEC SYSTEMS is involved in this particular scandal. Can they capture info on these Congressional Staffers webpages by being the internet provider, etc.? Who hired them and why? AND WHAT THE HELL IS A FLORIDA GAY PORN KING doing hosting web pages on Capitol Hill? Now I understand this is not a government site, but these Congresscritters are not allowed to have campaign type info on their dot gov sites…they have to go elsewhere. How many folks in Congress are using SOFTEC? How many CONGRESSIONAL WIVES ARE?

What the hell is going on!!

Interestingly enough..Nancy Pelosi took her blog down a while back! Here is a link to go find out who has blogs on Capitol Hill.

Here is the link: be careful…... I think it is owned by none other than RON GUNZBURGER….lol

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:eZFhmRYtTVIJ:www.pkblogs.com/lawmakers+%22Nancy+Pelosi%22+%2B+%22+Ron+Gunzburger%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10

It came up under a search for connections between ole ‘nancy and ron’…LOL (HAS A CERTAIN SWEET RING TO IT…..) Hey…..maybe these two can run for the Executive Seat at THE BIG HOUSE???????

Heading to bed…..so if this gets posted…I may not be responding to it until the morning. But tell me what you think folks….is there a there there…or have I googled myself into stupidity…..LOL

FREEPERS ROCK!!

[pissant]

After reading the main article, see post 198 for a great wrapup.

[penelopesire]

Thank you SOOOO much for getting this written! My morning has been a bit hectic and I am terrible at computer stuff...lol

One thing you might add is the bombshell bit that MP5SD dug up in post #187!!

Here it is:

Check out http://billandsteve.com/index.asp

This is Bill Pinyon and his "partner" Steven Wojcik.

Steven is employed by Badpuppy AND is the Vice President of Public Policy for the National Business Group on Health.

He has testified numerous times before the House Ways and Means Committee. Mark Foley is a member of that committee.

Interesting that they live just outside Mark Foley's congessional district.

FWIW - SOFTECSys is also the host of 365GAY.com

[AmeriBrit]

Thank you for the ping! :>)))))

[Grampa Dave]

"----Democrats have to answer questions about what they knew."

I can't wait until the gay predators on the staffs of Pelosi, Boxer, Finestein, Woolsey and other rats from California have the light of truth shined on them. Then we can demand the resignation of every rat congressit with criminal gay predators on their staff.

Or we get to see pictures of these gay Predator maggot staffers in Thailand or Mexico to have predatory sex with kids under the age 12.

Apparently people out here in fruit and nut land are looking for photos of Pelosi with a flaming gay maggot during one of SF's Gay Happiness/Pride Day parades.

I'm sure that someone can find her defending homosexuals when they wanted to become boy scout predators.

[pissant]

Tell us what you really think. LOL

[SweetCaroline]

I sent it to O'Reily, lets see what he does with it.

[AmeriBrit]

:>))))) Thank you!

[Grampa Dave]

The many of the maggots who march during GaY Pride day out in Gay Frisco are probably on the staffs of the local rat congressional its and Boxer and Finestein.

They will eventually pay for the creation and duration of their Foley/October surprise.

[penelopesire]

LOL...I can't wait until this hits the desk of Howard Dean TOO!

[pissant]

My biggest problem ain't that they are gay. Instead, its their wanting to bugger kids AND that they are mostly flaming leftist commie al-qaeda enabling scum.

[Grampa Dave]

Same here.

[Uncle Chip]

Thank You ---

[MP5SD]

I'm going back now and looking into Mathew Loraditch the guy that ran the Congressional Page Alumni Association at

www.pagealumni.us/congpageassoc/

He shut the site down immediately when the story broke and has fallen off the map. I remember several posts here that where linked to the gay porn that he participated in. Their may be a link to back to badpuppy.

There's something fishy about Loraditch

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Apparently people out here in fruit and nut land are looking for photos of Pelosi with a flaming gay maggot during one of SF's Gay Happiness/Pride Day parades.

There was a well known Frisco Gay that just passed away, Pelosi was connected....his ambition was boy love.....was behind an organization to further the legality of such.....

[penelopesire]

Good idea! I could not bring myself to search that filthy Bad Puppy site last week...lol.
I think that one of these badpuppy web sites host little homepages for thier 'customers' though.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Damn this didn't take long:

Special Report
When Nancy Met Harry
By Jeffrey Lord
Published 10/5/2006 12:08:06 AM

*********************AN EXCERPT *************************

The Pride Parade.

That's what it's called in San Francisco when the community gathers for a parade during the annual San Francisco Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Pride Celebration. It is, by all accounts, a wingding of a celebration, too. As the San Francisco Chronicle, the media sponsor of the Pride Parade, put it in their special section devoted to the celebration in 2001, the parade is "the granddaddy, grandma and grandtrannie of 'em all." (That would be trannie as in "transvestite.")

The paper, bursting with civic pride, was also pleased to publish the marching order of the parade and all its celebrants. It's quite a list. A who's who of San Francisco. Then Supervisor and now Democratic mayor Gavin Newsom, members of two Democratic Clubs, California Democratic legislators, the police, sheriff and fire departments and even the director of the Golden Gate Bridge were marching right alongside celebrants from Vulva University, The Stud Bar, and Leather Pride.

It is, in short, the San Francisco political establishment whooping it up with its constituents.

What interests in all of this in light of the unfolding scandal involving Florida Republican Rep. Mark Foley and his mind-boggling e-mails to a young House page are the participants in spots number 31 and 34 of the Pride Parade.

Celebrant number 31 was the late Harry Hay. Harry, it seems, was quite the guy. In fact, it is not too much to say that he was famous in San Francisco. He was famous not only as a founder of the gay rights movement, for his one-time relationship with actor Will Geer (who played Grandpa Walton on The Waltons TV series,) he was also known for being featured in the 1976 documentary film of gay life titled Word Is Out. When he died the following year after the parade, at 90, the New York Times Magazine featured him in "The Lives They Lived," its annual pictorial salute to famous Americans who had passed away during the preceding year. In addition to laudatory obits in both the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, the Chronicle did a considerably flattering obituary. "Harry Hay, gay rights pioneer, dies at 90." The paper favorably notes a number of things in Harry's life, including his left-leaning politics, his connection with the Communist Party in the 1930s and his founding of "The Mattachine Society," a group the Chronicle calls "the first sustained homosexual rights organization in the United States."

Fair enough. The Chronicle, however, left something else out of the obituary entirely. It was a very strong belief held by Harry Hay that, if one is to believe all the attention devoted to Harry on the Internet, was common knowledge in San Francisco.

Harry Hay was a fierce advocate of man/boy love. While The Chronicle simply ignored Harry's views, the North American Man/Boy Love Association was only too delighted to put up a collection of Harry's views on the need for young boys to have older men as sexual partners. Here's just a sample taken from a talk at a New York University forum sponsored by a campus gay group in 1983.

Said Harry: "Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world."

In short, San Francisco's beloved Harry Hay was a vigorous and well-known advocate of older men having sex with young boys. He was a fearless and quite famous advocate for Congressman Mark Foley's behavior.

Which makes one curious about the presence of marcher number 34 in the 2001 Pride Parade. Marching a mere three spots away from the famous Harry Hay, no doubt waving and smiling to the crowd, was, as the Chronicle logged her in the Official Guide and Program Parade Lineup: "U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi."

That would be now Democratic leader of the U.S. Congress and the candidate of the Democratic Party to be the next Speaker of the House of Representatives, the official third in line to be President of the United States.

Surely this is a different Rep. Nancy Pelosi from the one who currently has on her website as Minority Leader the following statement:

"Republican leaders admitted to knowing about Mr. Foley's abhorrent behavior for six months to a year and failed to protect the children in their trust. Republican Leaders must be investigated by the Ethics Committee and immediately questioned under oath."

Abhorrent behavior? If men having sex with children is "abhorrent behavior" then it seems it would be quite logical for a United States Congresswoman to stand up and protest the presence of one of its leading advocates having a place of honor in a civic parade -- a parade in which she herself would be marching mere steps behind him.

[penelopesire]

Thanks to all of you for getting this stuff in people's hands! The MSM will have to be dragged to this kicking and screaming more than likely.
Wonder if we should send it in a IM to Brian Ross? (LOL)

[Political Junkie Too]

Steven is employed by Badpuppy AND is the Vice President of Public Policy for the National Business Group on Health.

You know, in Michael Savage's earlier days he used to talk about all the health-related legislation, such as the prescription drug bill, and he'd question who the real special interests were. Savage used to question whether the AARP was just the public justification for prescription drug give-aways, but were the real beneficiaries the gay/AIDS/HIV lobby?

Just how deep undercover was the gay lobby in Washington? What legislations have they been secretly influencing?

-PJ

[Liz]

Just what kind of information was the closeknit Capitol Hill Pink Powderpuff Predators Club sharing?

Now this oughta grab everyone's attention: The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee down on South Capitol Street-----headed by Cong Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill) to help Democrats get elected-----has in "intern program" and an "intern coordinator." Shades of Bill Clinton. Their very own intern program? Makes you wonder whether unsuspecting donors to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee know what their donations are actually being used for.

It strains credulity to suggest Foley's activities were not known in small-town Washington where every "secret" is public knowledge and discussed 24/7. All the club members know who hangs out in the gay bars and book stores on Dupont Circle...... "Isn't that right, Rahm?"

What did Cong Rahm Emanuel knew about Foley, and when did he know it? As Dem Cong Committee Chair, did Rahm put young pages at risk, by holding back information to score political points? If Dem Cong Committee Chair Rahm Emanuel engaged in a cover-up about Foley for political purposes, he needs to be investigated, pronto.

Rahm's friendly emails to Foley would be v-e-r-y interesting.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

And we have this:

Pelossi marched with NAMBLA.

********************EXCERPTS******************************

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15156523/

BUCHANAN: Let me make one more point. Ms. Pelosi has marched in gay pride parades with the North America Man-Boy Love Association, NAMBLA, which—who are pedophiles who are trying to get the laws repealed for sex between men and boys! If she‘s been marching with pedophiles, is she credible standing up there saying, I‘m shocked, shocked that some Republican is after 17-year-old pages?

Here apparently is the source for Buchanan's claim. A rather circuitous connection between someone who marched in the 2001 Gay Pride Parade in San Francisco (not a NAMBLA member, apparently, but a guy with some fairly noxious opinions on the matter, whose writings apparently were once posted on NAMBLA's website), and Pelosi, who was apparently in the same parade.

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http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10450 ...What interests in all of this in light of the unfolding scandal involving Florida Republican Rep. Mark Foley and his mind-boggling e-mails to a young House page are the participants in spots number 31 and 34 of the Pride Parade. Celebrant number 31 was the late Harry Hay. Harry, it seems, was quite the guy. In fact, it is not too much to say that he was famous in San Francisco. He was famous not only as a founder of the gay rights movement, for his one-time relationship with actor Will Geer (who played Grandpa Walton on The Waltons TV series,) he was also known for being featured in the 1976 documentary film of gay life titled Word Is Out. When he died the following year after the parade, at 90, the New York Times Magazine featured him in "The Lives They Lived," its annual pictorial salute to famous Americans who had passed away during the preceding year. In addition to laudatory obits in both the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, the Chronicle did a considerably flattering obituary. "Harry Hay, gay rights pioneer, dies at 90." The paper favorably notes a number of things in Harry's life, including his left-leaning politics, his connection with the Communist Party in the 1930s and his founding of "The Mattachine Society," a group the Chronicle calls "the first sustained homosexual rights organization in the United States." Fair enough. The Chronicle, however, left something else out of the obituary entirely. It was a very strong belief held by Harry Hay that, if one is to believe all the attention devoted to Harry on the Internet, was common knowledge in San Francisco. Harry Hay was a fierce advocate of man/boy love. While The Chronicle simply ignored Harry's views, the North American Man/Boy Love Association was only too delighted to put up a collection of Harry's views on the need for young boys to have older men as sexual partners. Here's just a sample taken from a talk at a New York University forum sponsored by a campus gay group in 1983. Said Harry: "Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world." In short, San Francisco's beloved Harry Hay was a vigorous and well-known advocate of older men having sex with young boys. He was a fearless and quite famous advocate for Congressman Mark Foley's behavior. Which makes one curious about the presence of marcher number 34 in the 2001 Pride Parade. Marching a mere three spots away from the famous Harry Hay, no doubt waving and smiling to the crowd, was, as the Chronicle logged her in the Official Guide and Program Parade Lineup: "U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi."

*******************Commentary from the FORUM********************** So, the right's usual dirty tricks. Twisting reality; making claims that are inaccurate from information that is merely coincidental. Let's clear up a few things, because I suspect this item will be emerging as one of many of the right wing's usual retreats to smearing in the face of adversity -- diverting from their own failure of leadership on this matter to point out what appears to be a merely tangential connection between Pelosi and NAMBLA. - The guy in question was apparently NEVER a NAMBLA member. Note how conspicuously absent that claim is. - The only link to NAMBLA apparently is this rather curiously-worded claim that NAMBLA "put up a collection of Harry's views." I have no idea what "put up means, but regardless, it's clear he himself was not part of NAMBLA, nor did he in any way represent them in the parade. - NAMBLA -- the organization -- did NOT march in the parade. - NAMBLA has been banned from EVER marching in that parade. - I highly doubt Pelosi had any idea this guy had written or expressed such things in the past. - If she had known, I have little doubt she would have stayed away. - Their proximity in the parade marching order list would seem to merely reflect how parade organizers had set things up. It certainly isn't indicative of Pelosi's wish to be close to this guy, as the above article seems to imply. The dirty tricks are flying now, folks. This story has what I'd say is, oh, I don't know, a sub-atomic quark-sized spec of reality behind it. But, as spoken, Pat lied. And as written here, it's blatantly deceptive, the worst form of guilt-by-association with the flimsiest of connections between Pelosi and this guy, and still about ten steps removed from any association with NAMBLA itself. But, as we know, that's usually more than enough for the dirt-digger-uppers on the right. I can see them now, strategizing, "Can we make this connection? I don't know..." Then, suddenly, the light bulb goes off, and they figure out a way to make the distant, disconnected relationship between these facts look like Pelosi was proudly marching alongside NAMBLA, happily embracing their agenda and goals. It's the usual bullshit from the right, on steroids -- a sign of how desperate this affair has made them. Pelosi, a grandmother of five, deserves better, but she's got a "D" AND the dreaded "S.F." after her name, almost a right-wing hatefest trifecta.

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