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Time Aping over Human-Chimp Genetic Similarities
Intelligent Design and Evolution Awareness (IDEA) Center ^ | Casey Luskin

Posted on 10/11/2006 2:45:52 PM PDT by Tim Long

[Editor's note: This was adapted from an article originally posted at EvolutionNews.org on October 4, 2006, here. It is regarding the article "What Makes us Different?" in Time Magazine, by Michael D. Lemonick and Andrea Dorfman, October 1, 2006. The illustration below is linked from their website, and is for Time by Tim O'Brien.]

The current issue of Time features a cover story preaching evolution to the skeptical public and editorializing that humans and chimps are related. Though the article's graphic (below) shows half-human, half-chimp iconography, University of North Carolina, Charlotte anthropologist Jonathan Marks warns us against "exhibit[ing] the same old fallacies: ... humanizing apes and ape-ifying humans" (What It Means to be 98% Chimpanzee, pg. xv [2002]). The cover-graphic commits both fallacies:

The article also claims that it's easy to see "how closely the great apes--gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and orangutans--resemble us," but then observes in a contradictory fashion that "agriculture, language, art, music, technology and philosophy" are "achievements that make us profoundly different from chimpanzees." Perhaps Michael Ruse was wise to ask "[w]here is the baboon Shakespeare or the chimpanzee Mozart?" (The Darwinian Paradigm, pg. 253 [1989]).

Common Descent, or Common Design? The article predictably touts the 98-99% genetic similarity statistic between humans and chimps, assuming that the similarity demonstrates common ancestry. Can common ancestry explain shared functional genetic similarities between humans and chimps? Sure, of course. But so can common design: designers regularly re-use parts that work when making similar blueprints. The article ignores that shared functional similarities between two organisms do not rule out design in favor of descent.

Evolutionary Miracle Mutations The article also discusses a "mutation" that could allow a loss in jaw-muscle strength, which evolutionary biologists hypothesize allowed the human braincase to grow larger. It's a nice just-so story, but paleoanthropologist Bernard Wood explained why simply identifying these genetic differences does not provide a compelling evolutionary explanation where natural selection would preserve the mutations:

"The mutation would have reduced the Darwinian fitness of those individuals … It only would've become fixed if it coincided with mutations that reduced tooth size, jaw size and increased brain size. What are the chances of that?"

(quoted in Joseph Verrengia, "Gene Mutation Said Linked to Evolution" Union Tribune, 03-24-04) The article also makes the unbelievable claim that two mutations could account for "the emergence of all aspects of human speech, from a baby's first words to a Robin Williams monologue." Are they joking? If human speech evolved via Darwinian means, it would require slowly evolving a suite of highly complex characteristics lacking in animals—a feat some experts think is impossible: Chomsky and some of his fiercest opponents agree on one thing: that a uniquely human language instinct seems to be incompatible with the modern Darwinian theory of evolution, in which complex biological systems arise by the gradual accumulation over generations of random genetic mutations that enhance reproductive success. ... Non-human communication systems are based on one of three designs [but] ... human language has a very different design. The discrete combinatorial system called "grammar" makes human language infinite (there is no limit to the number of complex words or sentences in a language), digital (this infinity is achieved by rearranging discrete elements in particular orders and combinations, not by varying some signal along a continuum like the mercury in a thermometer), and compositional (each of the infinite combinations has a different meaning predictable from the meanings of its parts and the rules and principles arranging them). (Pinker, S., Chapter 11 of The Language Instinct (1994).) While Pinker believes that human language can be explained by Darwinism, human speech and language is exceedingly complex compared to animal language. Claiming it could evolve in two mutations is unbelievable.

Functional Non-Coding DNA: The Evolutionists' New Best Friend? Ironically, the article admits that stark differences between humans and chimps may stem from functional non-coding DNA, which regulates protein production. In an elegant analogy, Owen Lovejoy explains that the 98-99% similarity in coding-regions of DNA ("bricks") may be irrelevant because it's "like having the blueprints for two different brick houses. The bricks are the same, but the results are very different."

Darwinists often cite similarities in non-coding DNA as evidence of chimp-human common ancestry. Yet the Time article explains that non-coding DNA has function—perhaps holding the functions responsible for the differences between humans and chimps: Those molecular switches lie in the noncoding regions of the genome--once known dismissively as junk DNA but lately rechristened the dark matter of the genome. ... "But it may be the dark matter that governs a lot of what we actually see." Though the article still asserts much of the genome is junk, Richard Sternberg and James A. Shapiro wrote recently that "one day, we will think of what used to be called 'junk DNA' as a critical component of truly 'expert' cellular control regimes" ("How Repeated Retroelements format genome function," Cytogenetic and Genome Research 110:108–116 [2005]).

Evidence of function in non-coding DNA not only casts doubt upon whether the 98-99%-protein-coding-DNA-similarity statistic is relevant to assessing the degree of genetic similarity between humans and chimps, but it also shows that similarities in human and chimp non-coding DNA could be explained by common design.


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To: Recovering_Democrat
How do you know this?

She drew conclusions from it that were completely false. Your options:

  1. She didn't read it, just the title.
  2. She read it and was too dumb to understand it.
  3. She read it, understood it, and lied about it.

Personally, I'd go with "I didn't really read it. . ." as the excuse.

41 posted on 10/12/2006 12:22:03 PM PDT by ahayes (My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.)
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To: FreedomProtector; Quark2005
It's [peer review is] the best test there is for scientific truth or validity

I strongly disagree. The best test for scientific truth and validity are repeatable experiments which we observe.

repeating experiments and conducting independent analyses of the same root data set ARE peer review.
what? did you think "peer-review" was analogous to a Harlequin reading-circle?

42 posted on 10/12/2006 1:09:41 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: FreedomProtector
The peer review for this book is as impressive as any.

Books aren't peer reviewed by scientists, scientific journal articles are.

A good science book explains the conclusions articulated in the work of scientific journal articles (and should cite such material, directly or indirectly), explained at the appropriate educational level. Pandas and People does not meet these criteria.

Any science book that draws conclusions that are not shared by the consensus of working scientists in the field is not a good science book.

43 posted on 10/12/2006 1:32:05 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Religion is the key to knowing the spiritual world; Science is the key to knowing the physical world)
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To: FreedomProtector
"Homologies are are not similarities due to common ancestry which came to be by chance and natural process. Homologies are similarities due to a the same common Designer, the same common, single yet triune Ancestor--God."

Obviously.

Most people do seem to be able to see this; the problem seems to come from those who wish to create their own god.

44 posted on 10/12/2006 1:34:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Tim Long

John Kerry is the missing link.


45 posted on 10/12/2006 1:36:08 PM PDT by travlnmn41
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To: Ichneumon
I've been working through her chapters on evolution and writing up all the errors, lies, fallacies, and other mindbogglingly bad material in them.

I'm inclined to ask you for a copy when you get done... but I only have about 20 gigabytes of free space on my home machine, so it might not fit....

46 posted on 10/12/2006 1:39:01 PM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: steve-b
" but I only have about 20 gigabytes of free space on my home machine, so it might not fit...."

You've forgotten that vast expanse of free space between your ears. You could fit the library of congress there with room to spare.

47 posted on 10/12/2006 2:38:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Ichneumon
Where did you "learn" chemistry, from Jack Chick comics?

I guess he learned chemistry from the same school where Dear Leader's minions learned nuclear physics.

48 posted on 10/12/2006 3:17:16 PM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Furthermore, Coulter didn't even "look at the data". She at most glanced at the title of Marks's paper, didn't even look at the body of the paper *or* any data...
How do you know this?

The same way one knows (for example) that someone who says "Reagan's tax cuts didn't work" has never looked at figures showing the amount of revenue entering the Federal treasury during the early 1980s.

That is, when someone states a "fact" that is immediately and obviously contradicted by the records, one may infer that the stater has never looked at the records. (It's also possible that the stater is simply flat-out lying, but it's polite to assume the former unless forced to the latter.)

49 posted on 10/12/2006 3:21:08 PM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I think she showed a great desire to deal with the facts, since she spent so many pages on the subject.

ROFL!! This has got to be the single stupidest statement I've read this week, and that's saying something.

The Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, It Takes A Village, and Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance also contain a great many pages. Does that mean that they reliably deal with the facts?

50 posted on 10/12/2006 3:23:58 PM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Ichneumon
I think many people would get where I was going with that, and most likely even if I did take the time to get refreshed on all the terminology and language you will still find flaws in that and yet once again that would be your straw-man.

W.
51 posted on 10/12/2006 4:45:55 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: furball4paws
Glad you feel better now to get that off your chest

Carry on!

Wolf
52 posted on 10/12/2006 4:47:11 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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Those Chemical Formulas Are All Wrong Placemaker.
53 posted on 10/12/2006 4:57:18 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: steve-b

There is no reason to be nasty, steve.

Of course I don't equate Ann Coulter to Adolph Hitler or Hillary Clinton. My statement, if you read it carefully, shows my opinion that she wasn't merely emoting.

I realize a lengthy treatise, however well-intentioned, can be wrong. I'm certain we all do.

Being rude and insulting me is uncalled for. It isn't something I suspect you do in real life, and I would appreciate the same treatment on the 'net.


54 posted on 10/12/2006 5:22:00 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: steve-b
That is, when someone states a "fact" that is immediately and obviously contradicted by the records...

Yes, I understand that explanation. I just don't know if I think you're accurate about whether Ann did look at the work. Or maybe another work.

I did look at the piece referred to earlier, and from what I recall it did mention a similarity between the DNA of all life.

I cannot get the link to work on the main title, but here is the "out of thin air" quote I think is making some so exorcised:

"...a human and any earthly DNA-based life form must be at least 25% identical. A human and a daffodil share common ancestry and their DNA is thus obliged to match more than 25% of the time. For the sake of argument let’s say 33%....The point is that to say we are one-third daffodils because our DNA matches that of a daffodil 33% of the time, is not profound, it’s ridiculous."

Now that seems to agree with Ann's paraphrase: "The human genome is 35 percent identical to that of a daffodil. I think even a Darwiniac would admit humans are not 35 percent identical to a daffodil..."

This sounds like agreement between Ann and the author of the study on the question of whether daffodils and humans are alike.

I understand what is meant when it is said the evolutionist writing this paper made the figure up "out of thin air"; nevertheless, the illustration still applies for both writers. The difference is how far one carries the illustration.

I appreciate the discussion on the question; however I don't think either one of us will persuade the other to change his position. I still see it as a matter of understanding the data in a different way.

Have a great day!

55 posted on 10/12/2006 5:45:38 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: ml1954
I will just start giving you a courtesy ping whenever I post just so you can make your ubiquitous and compulsive 'placemarker' with a message in them to me LOL

W.
56 posted on 10/12/2006 8:00:12 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: ml1954
Placemarker Ping List

A courtesy 'ping' service for everytime I might contemplate making a post so all affected evos can get their 'placemarkers' in
You have been added to this courtesy ping list by way of demonstrating an interest in my posts by use of the 'Message in a Placemarker' and/or having numerous sidebar conversations about me.

To assist beginners: But it's "just a placemarker", Evos are Troll's Toolkit,
and how to marginalize science with religious fanaticism toward the monkey god of darwinist ideology.

Welcome ML1954 to the new 'placemarker ping list'!! By the interest in my posts that you have shown by way of your 'placemarkers'I just know that you are thrilled to be on this ping list!!!

As I get the usual suspects all rounded, up we can all start the ping & placemarker party!.

If it turns out however, that you and the other placemaker evos were just confused and mistaken, there is way to get off this ping list. And that would be a public recantation of your past placemarker behavior and a pledge to cease and desist in the future.

W.
57 posted on 10/15/2006 8:14:05 AM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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Sheer Amusement Placemarker


58 posted on 10/15/2006 8:51:35 AM PDT by ahayes (On the internet no one can hear you scream.)
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To: ahayes
Alright!

One more for 'the list' ;)
59 posted on 10/15/2006 8:57:39 AM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: ahayes

Complete whacked out Looney tunes placemarker


60 posted on 10/15/2006 11:49:42 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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