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Europe Is Growing Skeptical Of Dialogue With Muslims (excellent article)
The NY Sun ^ | 10/6/2006 | YOUSSEF IBRAHIM

Posted on 10/06/2006 10:53:59 AM PDT by Dark Skies

After years of dithering over political correctness with Muslims and Islam, Europe is waking up to a different morning.

A three-week tour of Italy, France, and Britain last month was enough for me to conclude that Western Europeans have moved way beyond dialogue. Confrontation, indeed even provocation, is their preferred approach to the Muslims in their midst.

Long before Pope Benedict XVI's scathing comments in mid-September on the fallacy of phony Muslim-Christian dialogue, signs of hardening European views toward current Islamic values were plentiful on the Continent

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; europe; infiltration; islam; muslim; muslims; pope; terror; uk; wot
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To: gaijin

We should also begin seeding the water supplies with birth control hormones. The Muslims would see the lack of children, as a curse. Use any and all methods to destroy their faith.


41 posted on 10/06/2006 11:58:50 AM PDT by jeremiah (Our military are not "fodder", but fathers and mothers and sons and daughters.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Then there's the issue of French nuclear subs. Their Rubiss-class subs can go 30 years without refueling. I wouldn't want the moosies to get their hands on those, although it's kind of comical to picture a bunch of ragheads aboard a sub trying to figure the thing out - kind of brings that Chinese fire-drill picture to mind.


42 posted on 10/06/2006 11:59:05 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Dark Skies

I have been talking about the European awaking for several years, and I can tell you that all signs are pointing to that it is happening more and more.

Just follow the British media. It has changed rather dramatically during the last couple of years. In Norway, a documentary showing the dreaded Mohammed cartoons was just shown to popular acclaim. The documentary attacked muslim fundamentalists, cowardly Norwegian politicians.

The awakening in Europe has increased in pace and in magnitude.

I just pray it is not too late.


43 posted on 10/06/2006 12:00:39 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: gaijin
Well, I agree with your policy suggestions, but disagree with your semantics. Deportation of a group of people is confrontation in my book, any day of the week!

I think they should go back to the sh*holes they came from if they are unhappy and troublemakers in the West.

44 posted on 10/06/2006 12:02:08 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Dark Skies
Thanks....I'm at home suffering from a heavy cold and feeling like crud.

Keep up the good posts! BYW did you hear a woman has had her veil ripped of her at a bus-stop in Liverpool (I think) ...headline news on Radio 5 Live! They are looking for a man in his 60's. The worm is turning. sad it has to come tot his but they (Muslims and government) would not heed the warnings.
45 posted on 10/06/2006 12:04:25 PM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: agere_contra
England's Muslim percentage is 3%. Just like the USA's.

Just in the last three days, we have heard of: a) Islamic youth rioting in Britain, with the media too cowardly to refer to them as Muslims (see today's LGF blog) b) The London Police agreed to let Muslims refuse to guard the Israeli Embassy -- we wouldn't want to defend the lowly Joooos now, would we? c) A Taxi company in Britain supporting Muslims cab drivers in refusing to give rides to BLIND people with seeing eye dogs.

All you have to do is read British & European blogs that tell it like it REALLY is over there - Melanie Phillips, EUReferendum, Stephen Pollard, Brussels Journal - to know that even at 3% Muslim, the UK is already a dhimmi state.

46 posted on 10/06/2006 12:04:44 PM PDT by fireman43
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To: rogernz

Thats the irony so far in Europe. That most of the vocal defenders of Western Civ. are immigrants, many of them from muslim backgrounds.

They can say things, due to the PC monster, that no ethnic European politican can say.

The new immigration minister in Sweden is a decidely un-PC woman from Burundi.

God bless her.

Cheers.


47 posted on 10/06/2006 12:04:47 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit
I just pray it is not too late.

I don't think it is. Socialism didn't work and now things around the world are shifting to a Reaganesque direction.

The muslims would do well to remember what Dryden said, "beware the fury of a patient man."

48 posted on 10/06/2006 12:05:28 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Allah sez "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.")
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To: rogernz

I think the fears of a new Hitler are totally unfounded.


49 posted on 10/06/2006 12:05:58 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Defiant
It's not too late, but in 20 years it will be. They need to send back guest workers and illegals, pass laws that prohibit Islamic practices like hijab and sharia, enforce those laws, proselytize in the Muslim community, expose Muhammad as a fraud and treat Islam as a menace to be defeated politically and intellectually, like communism and fascism.

AIN'T.GONNA.HAPPEN.

50 posted on 10/06/2006 12:06:29 PM PDT by fireman43
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To: Dark Skies

I hope it is not wishful writing.


51 posted on 10/06/2006 12:07:51 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: Dark Skies

The Brits have a long history of being great warriors. This proclivity may seem to have become dormant with the onslaught of socialism gripping their country, but I doubt that it really is.

The moosie cop should have been canned, not mollified.

While even some conservatives no longer support the war in Iraq against the terrorists, I do, and I maintain it was a brilliant stroke to draw many of them and their new militants into one general location instead of appealing to or paying fair-weather friends and reluctant supporters to clean them out of their countries. I couldn't care less is Saddass's WMDs were modern or not or present in large numbers - Iraq was the best place to stage this.


52 posted on 10/06/2006 12:08:21 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: vimto
Get well soon! I'll see what I can find out the un-veiled Liverpudlian.
53 posted on 10/06/2006 12:08:33 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Allah sez "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.")
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To: expatpat
You Europhobes still hold onto your belief that Europe can't do another racial cleansing? You don't realize that there is a brutal beast under that veneer of politeness?

Sure, Europe is capable of at least one more ethnic cleansing -- they will make sure that in the next 10-15 years that they will finish Hitler's work and totally cleanse the Jews from Europe. That's why they do nothing now as Jews get beaten, shot and stabbed, and their synagogues burned.

But cleanse Muslims? Never. Muslims serve a useful purpose to the Europeans -- getting rid of the Jews.

54 posted on 10/06/2006 12:10:01 PM PDT by fireman43
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To: gaijin

"This is totally apart from the notion that there are nice muslims --I am completely sure of that, and I don't need to guess because I KNOW that from personal experience."

You're right, and I too know this from personal experience.

The danger of course, is that our immigration systems are unable to discriminate between "moderate" muslims and their more fundamentalist co-religiionists. And of course, even if they are moderate, it seems to be the nature of their religion that their children will be ripe for recruitment to more radical and fundamentalist causes.

However, while I don't know about Europe, I don't see any chance of Canada's immigration system banning immigration by muslims or from any other place that gives us unassimilable immigrants anytime soon.


55 posted on 10/06/2006 12:10:53 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Dark Skies
The article says:

Europe is no longer dithering. Every other week, parliaments are restricting the freedom of expression of Muslim fundamentalists, preachers, and madrassas, and questioning every value that militant Islam has attempted to sneak into the Continent over the past 20 years.

It sure took a while. Maybe they need one big bombing instead a few small ones to really wake them up.

56 posted on 10/06/2006 12:11:37 PM PDT by BobS
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To: fireman43; agere_contra
Let's not turn this into a US vs UK thread. Agere_contra is in the U.K and knows first hand what is going on there.

We have come to understand that that things learned from the lefty press are quite different than the truth.

57 posted on 10/06/2006 12:12:28 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Allah sez "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.")
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To: Dark Skies
Threatening the Pope, shooting nuns in the back, threatening Denmark, blowing-up airliners & Trade-centers, beheading people, vowing to convert all non-muslims...

What are the key ones I've missed?

58 posted on 10/06/2006 12:13:33 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Dark Skies

Just get ready to headlines in a few years when the Progress party (my party btw.) wins the elections in Norway, which many analysts now thinks will happen.

"Right wing fascists take power in Norway"

The truth is that the Progress party which is (and has always been) the major defender of Israel and jews, supporter of the American alliance, and pro Western Civ. with its judeo-christian heritage is IMHO the least fascists party in Norway. They are historically free market libertarians, however with an emphasis on law and order.

Then again, in 2009, even the Guardian might very well welcome their victory.

The awakening is increasing in pace.


59 posted on 10/06/2006 12:14:30 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit

Well, there's a big difference of course between European Jews and gypsies who were no threat to their societies, and muslim immigrants, and in particular our pandering to their intolerance and unreasonable demands, who do threaten the nature of our societies. In particular, Hitler whipped up existing Jew-hatred for his own particular ends, while the rising anti-muslim sentiment is a grass-roots movement, in opposition to the political correctness and pandering of the elites.


60 posted on 10/06/2006 12:14:48 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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