CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE MESSAGES WERE PAGE PRANK GONE AWRY

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[Miss Marple]

I am so TIRED of people making comments that do NOT advance any knowledge but in fact derail the discussion and try to stir up fights.

The following FACTS need to be accepted by all people who wish to discuss this story:

1. Foley was wrong and should have resigned. In fact, he was dishonest and should have retired 2 years ago, at least.

2. Communications were with EX-pages who had gone back to their home towns.

3. Hastert only knew about the innocuous e-mails, and not the lewd IM's.

4. e-mails and IM's are DIFFERENT.

5. There is no law against being a homosexual. It is sinful but not illegal.

6. The ex-page who received the e-mail is a different person from the person who received the lewd IM's.

6. As of now, with the exception of Tyson Vivyan who has no proof, all communications were with young men who were over 16, and the lewd stuff was with someone over 18. They are NOT little kids, and although repellant, Foley is not a pedophile, which definition includes an attraction to PRE-adolescent boys.

People who misstate these FACTS are either too obtuse to discuss this issue or are deliberately trying to stir up dissension.

[listenhillary]

Thank you!

[CharlesWayneCT]

I'm sorry. Bad inference I guess from your post, where you asked if we could trust loraditch because he ran a gay porn site.

I realise that you meant a person who runs a gay PORN SITE might not be trustworthy, not that he was gay and therefore untrustworthy.

Sorry about that.

[TexKat]

Vivyan said he was nominated as a page by Rep. John. J. Duncan, R-Tenn. Don Walker, Duncan's deputy chief of staff, confirmed Thursday to the AP that Vivyan was a page from
Duncan's district.

"We did not get any complaints form him while he was a page or after he was a page or anytime thereafter until Monday," Walker said. "As soon as we learned of it we turned it over to the authorities."

[Miss Marple]

Yes. I think that HGTV and The Food Network have had an uptick in ratings.

I refuse to dignify their poor coverage with my presence.

[MEG33]

Thanks for the information on CBS..I tuned into the stations that carry Rush,Hannity and Levin.(Fox and ABC radio).. I watch local news at times on TV and a few shows..I have been busy getting my house and yard in shape after a long absence and it does keep me hopping!

I quit the newspaper long ago when my frequent long trips out of town had me always having to call and cancel delivery and I found the internet was better! Free Republic is invaluable..I lurk a lot on news/political threads.I don't have time to read the blogs I used to read!
I agree Shep is a such drama queen. I miss Brit, my newer faster computer I bought and have at my daughter's, though!
There I have cable..I am on dial up here!

Back to the subject..I deplore Foley's disgusting IMs. He was easily "lured".I do not blame Hastert for not catching on to a serious problem with the information he says he had in the original Emails..I am distressed over the possible damage that has been done and I am very angry with Foley and anyone who knew this and held out until it would cloud the upcoming election.I stay angry at the dems.
That the dem operatives would reveal this after it was not possible to have Foley's name removed from the ballot is business as usual.

May God protect us, our Armed Forces and this Nation from a Dem led House or Senate!

[Miss Marple]

I saw that. What we don't know is if the press is deliberately misspelling Vivyan's name, or if anything on the net has been "disappeared" before he made his statement.

For instance, we don't know if the Congressman confirmed over the phone that someone named Robert Tyson Vivian served as a page, and then the press reports it as Tyson Vivyan.

Hillary's people did this several times, in order to hide donations from certain groups. They would type in a name on a list with a false typo and it would keep unsavory associations from being noticed.

[ohioWfan]

I haven't been watching at all because of their 'sex scandal' obsession, but did I hear that John Gibson was still calling for Hastert's resignation YESTERDAY?

Does he want to lose his entire audience??

Sometimes I just don't get it.

[Smartaleck]

"OH MY GOD...let this be true!"

Could be for the original Page, but others have come forward and it doesn't seem likely.

"Three new pages step forward"
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006058.htm

[Howlin]

Those 3 "new" pages have absolutely no way of knowing what was in those IMs or who did them.

[DCPatriot]

I agree with virtually all your points...except.....

Somebody in the GOP leadership needs to tell us why...if FOLEY's homosexuality was an open secret...WHY he as the Chairman of that committee.

Even to a character in JACKASS 2...that seems like a pretty stupid thing to ignore.

[east1234]

Whoops! I had heard that he did. Hmmm.... Guess that makes sense.

[Boiler Plate]

Just 77 posts to 3000!

[LS]

That's the point. It's so incredibly convoluted that no one knows what's happening. This might be deliberate, as the Dems realized it was spinning toward them, or it could be like we had with Clinton/Lewinsky, just in a "lull" between big, important data dumps.

[ichabod1]

I understand. But there really should be a word for middle-aged men who prey on teenagers. Perverts?

How about "homosexuals?" Pervert is a perfectly good word, but it seems to have lost it's impact. I don't even like "pedophile" for those who prey on small children that much because the word actually means "likes children' and it is too much like 'audiophile' or 'francophile'. Pederast is much better. I don't have an answer. A-hole is pretty good.

[RatsDawg]

I was wondering that too, was there AOL instant messaging back in 1997? and did Foley have the same account and sn back then?

[Republican Red]

It's now starting to look like not a prank but a money making book deal for young Jordon Edmund.

Apparently the “prank‚” may lead to more revelations such as a “book deal” that some of pages were hoping to get, a kind of “Capital Hill 90210. What would “sauce” the offer up more than to have a “learing pervert congressman” in the script?

Macsmind

Macsmind provides an message board conversation from 2004 between Edmund and other pages talking about the book deal.

Just One Minute

Hello all,
Yes, the book is still in progress. Outline is complete. Four of the fifteen chapters are in rough draft form (the chapters with input from previous Pages has not been completed - this part will take the longest since I have to spend so much time interviewing people and I've left this part until the end, although I have received some input from a very few people.) I have an agent (my husband is a published author), but no publisher yet. I am also working with a company that let's you self publish, sort of Print on Demand. And yes, you do get assigned an ISBN and it will be available at all the major book sellers. So I will do that if my agent can not get a publisher interested. Pictures have not been chosen, many more edits to go through. It's a long process. I've had to squeeze it in with my other responsibilities, so it's taking longer than I thought. But it IS going to happen, at some point in time.
Thanks, Robin Katsaros

Just who is Robin Katsaros?

Seems she is an uber liber who likes to communicate with Randi Rhodes. She just happens to have had a son in the page program in 2003 - sponsored by Nancy Pelosi

CHRISTOPHER KATSAROS is a sophomore at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service. He grew up in Los Altos Hills, CA--just outside of San Francisco. ***Christopher served his junior year of High School working as a Congressional Page by appointment of Nancy Pelosi, currently the Democratic House Leader***.

From Chris's myspace page:

I cheer for France and sometimes think of myself as European rather than American

Same link posted above:

[RatsDawg]

my bad, you guys already answered my question.

[A Citizen Reporter]

I think I misread the original post, I read it as if ABC was say that they only had the IM's. IOW, not the emails.

Now I see that it read that ABC is saying only......

[Miss Marple]

Foley wasn't KNOWN to be gay, remember. He had never said so, and committee assignments are, I believe, based on seniorority. If he asked for it and was senior on the list, on what reason could it be denied? You can't deny someone a position based on suspicion.

Hindsight is always 20-20.