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Children handcuffed in police drug raid (and SOP of shooting the family dog)
Albany Times Union ^

Posted on 09/28/2006 5:26:29 PM PDT by Sir Gawain

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To: mysterio


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261 posted on 09/29/2006 8:27:02 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: grjr21
I ought to start a website to expose the names of the agents who shoot dogs/stomp cats. Make a registry of them, just like the sex offenders list. I would put their houses right there on a big map. Lots of people out there don't want to live near sickos, and these animal stomping sickos are among the worst society has to offer.

I might look into doing that for my next website. As a public service.
262 posted on 09/29/2006 8:32:04 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Sir Gawain
Israel M. Bradley, sold three plastic bags of marijuana there for $40 on Sept. 15. They allege he sold two other bags of marijuana in the house for $20 on Aug. 28

$60 in pot sales over a period of three weeks. The cops got a real drug kingpin there.

Shotguns for a misdemeanor? Talk about overkill!
263 posted on 09/29/2006 8:32:34 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: streetpreacher

"If the dog attacked the police, then it was doing it's job. Dogs are supposed to attack intruders kicking in your door."

Just what I was thinking. I'd like to think even my normally loving, docile dogs would become agressive if someone burst in and started pushing my family around.

Besides, as someone else pointed out, the dog wouldn't run from the kitchen to the bathroom if it was after the cop, would it? No. It would attached by its teeth to some part of the cop's body. Given that, let's take a pop quiz. If you're the cops, what's the best thing to do in this situation?

A) Shoot the dog
B) Close the bathroom door, rendering the door harmless.

Okay! Round Two. You want to catch an 18 year old citizen-gone-wrong, who's selling pot... do you:

A) Put some cop in a car outside the apartment, wait for the 18 year old to show up, and arrest him on sight? or...
B) Bust into the family's apartment, pepper-spray children, handcuff everyone and kill their dog?

Well, I guess we know what THEIR answer is.


264 posted on 09/29/2006 8:33:36 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: mugs99
We have drug dealers selling to majors because of Marijuana prohibition. We have drug dealers selling to minors because they, the dealers are creeps.

We have drug dealers because of the war on drugs. My point stands. Your point isn't a point. There are many creeps, not all of them drug dealers.

If drugs were legal for majors, drugs would still be illegal for minors and we would still have drug dealers selling to minors.

Either you miss the point or you are for the sale of drugs to minors being legal.

265 posted on 09/29/2006 8:34:46 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: abovethefray
What dollar amount of illegal drugs should be the cut-off point for raid or no raid?

Enough where it's a felony, not a misdemeanor.

Misdemeanor -- parking tickets.
266 posted on 09/29/2006 8:37:43 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Sir Gawain
She's lucky it was only pot her son was accused of selling.

Had it been something like crack cocaine, they might have burned the place down.

267 posted on 09/29/2006 8:42:56 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: mugs99

Wrong. Indonesia executes more drug dealers than any other country on the planet. They average three per year.

Only 3 dealers per year in the whole country? Seems like the execution policy is working.


268 posted on 09/29/2006 8:58:04 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Sir Gawain

First, this woman's kids should be put in a foster home, if it can be proved she knew of her son's drug dealing.

Second, as a pitbull owner, I would shoot the dog, too. You do not wait for a pit to bite you before you eliminate it as a threat.

Third, there is no tolerance for drug dealers. "Only $60 worth of pot" is $60 more that is allowed by law.


269 posted on 09/29/2006 9:07:32 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Proud member of the radical Christian movement since January 22, 1984!)
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To: grjr21; mysterio

Why I can understand why a cop might become frightened at the sight of a large dog and shoot it proactively ("understand" , mind you, NOT automatically support or defend) there is no excuse for killing cats or kittens (or teeny little dogs, for that matter). There is just no defense that can be made for such mindless brutality.


270 posted on 09/29/2006 9:28:18 AM PDT by Verloona Ti (Moslems are sensitive to everything except the screams of their victims being tortured)
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To: Sensei Ern
What do you do when you are kicking in doors and an angry kitten jumps in front of you? Do you blast that animal as well? Give me a break. A dog can be tasered. The cops that choose to shoot the dog instead are evil.

I know I feel tons safer knowing doors are getting kicked in and family pets are getting murdered so people can be stopped from having marijuana.
271 posted on 09/29/2006 9:32:07 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: spinestein
Let me be the first to point out that none of this would have happened if the government didn't think it's WORTH it to break into a person's home, destroy their property, pepper spray and handcuff their pre-teen children, shoot their pets and put people in prison to keep them from smoking one lousy marijuana cigarette.

My thoughts exactly. Although I would add that the government has many supporters, many of them here at FR, unfortunately.

272 posted on 09/29/2006 9:33:30 AM PDT by Unknown Pundit
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To: Verloona Ti

Dogs can be effectively tasered. Shooting them is sick and evil, and should only be done under the most extreme circumstances. Each case should be reviewed as a police action shooting on the same level as if they had shot a person.


273 posted on 09/29/2006 9:34:15 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: elkfersupper

I remember a famous quote but not the name of the person attributed to it. Something along the line of "honest men do not wear masks" or somthing like it.


274 posted on 09/29/2006 9:35:12 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Nanny Statists are Ameba's.)
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To: Sensei Ern
Third, there is no tolerance for drug dealers. "Only $60 worth of pot" is $60 more that is allowed by law.

Sixty dollars' worth of pot warrants a no-knock police entry employing paramilitary tactics and costing the taxpayers thousands of dollars---both for the operation and ensuing legal fees because of the damage they did?

275 posted on 09/29/2006 9:36:41 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: mysterio
It does seem that some dogs are just being shot for the sheer fun of it, or because of the feeling of power it gives.Power over the terrified, unarmed civilian (as they've taken to calling The Rest of Us), not the dog. Like that weird incident in TN in 2004 (?) where the father left his wallet on the top of his car after pumping gas. For some reason, the cops that flagged down his vehicle chose to perceive the dropped wallet as sign of a possible kidnapping, and when the dog got out (and the tape of the incident clearly has the terrified family pleading with the police NOT to open the door because of the dog) they blasted the dog . He looked playful and frisky on the tape, not menacing. I believe that cop was punished with a few weeks paid vacation suspension.
276 posted on 09/29/2006 9:41:47 AM PDT by Verloona Ti (Moslems are sensitive to everything except the screams of their victims being tortured)
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To: Hazcat

You must be kidding. Nobody is that Naive.


277 posted on 09/29/2006 9:42:32 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Verloona Ti

That's why I should start the website exposing all of the cruel, evil monsters that do things like that. I saw the video of the cop killing the dog for no reason. He should have his face on a website and be publically shamed for the rest of his life.


278 posted on 09/29/2006 9:47:49 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: abovethefray

No problem, its all in the game.

I dont try to defend the fatc that the kid was breaking the law, and deserved to be arrested, \

Probably one police officer with a real police uniform on could have knocked on the door at about 9am, told the perp he was under arrest, and walked away with him.

Sans handcuffs on the kids and shooting the dog.

Believe me I like police officers, I am around them a lot and hear their talk. They need a strong supervisory hand or they overkill like this.


279 posted on 09/29/2006 9:48:22 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: mysterio

I ought to start a website to expose the names of the agents who shoot dogs/stomp cats... I might look into doing that for my next website. As a public service.


That's an excellent idea. I'd be happy to send you a donation to help with any expenses you incur.

280 posted on 09/29/2006 9:49:57 AM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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