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Why Darwinism Is Doomed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09/27/2006 | Jonathan Wells

Posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: Last Visible Dog

I thought you were sincere.

Next time I know better.


361 posted on 09/27/2006 7:50:26 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: Luka_Brazi
Here is the quote you had, I found the source. The full context is rather different than you made it out to be:
It's exactly as I posted it. Nothing in his letter supports your assumptions.
"I feel most deeply that the whole subject is too profound for the human intellect"...It is too profound for the human intellect. You can't define God. You can't explain the nature or workings of God. Darwin was honest enough to admit; "I don't know".

Deists don't question that, agnostics do. Darwin was clearly an agnostic (he said so explicitly).
I gave you the definition of the word "agnostic" by the man who created that word. Darwin used "agnostic" as Huxley defined it. They lived at the same time and Huxley was a supporter of Darwin and the theory of evolution.
Deists are agnostic exactly the same as Huxley defined the word "agnostic"...Exactly the same as Darwin used the word "agnostic".

Yes we were, explicitly so. Please go back and check
If you insist...Explain God to me.
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362 posted on 09/27/2006 7:52:47 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: muawiyah

So evos are having abortions because they don't treat their women right?

Okaaaaaay....


363 posted on 09/27/2006 7:53:20 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: Coyoteman
Time to abandon thread.

Guess you interpretation of "abandon" is different than everyone elses.

364 posted on 09/27/2006 7:56:49 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: freedumb2003
Your post was pretty heavy handed. You suggest that because you have memorized the words of the Scriptures (I assume in their original languages), that you are somehow excluded from human interpretation.

Dude,

Where are you getting this stuff. I don't have those passages memorized. I am not trying to impress anyone. Those passages relate specifically to scripture teaching a non-evolutionary beginning to mankind. Don't you agree that it is good to look at the evidence?

I am an admitted irrecoverably flawed individual. My only hope is in the flawless One. He has commissioned me to let others know they are in the same predicament as me. This message tends to tick people off.

365 posted on 09/27/2006 7:57:58 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: Uncle Billy
aren't there more important things to be worried about?

If you think so, what are you doing on this thread?

366 posted on 09/27/2006 7:59:08 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
Time to abandon thread.

Guess you interpretation of "abandon" is different than everyone elses.

I left the thread for a few hours to get some work done. But there is always some nonsense to rebut, so I just couldn't stay away.

What, did you miss me?

367 posted on 09/27/2006 8:05:21 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: bondserv
Dude, Where are you getting this stuff.

Your posts.

I don't have those passages memorized. I am not trying to impress anyone. Those passages relate specifically to scripture teaching a non-evolutionary beginning to mankind.

But now you admit that 1) You aren't reading the originals so you have no idea what the Scriptures say and 2)the Scriptures are silent on TToE and are subject to interpretation (unless we want to return to YOUR interpretation, but we have covered that, haven't we?)

Don't you agree that it is good to look at the evidence?

Sure. Do you have any? A faith-based text which has been able to spawn hundreds of sects all basing their belief system on a particular interpretation of that text isn't "evidence." Even if I was to concede (which I don't) the Bible as a proper reference, we would still have to deal with which interpretation.

I am an admitted irrecoverably flawed individual. My only hope is in the flawless One. He has commissioned me to let others know they are in the same predicament as me. This message tends to tick people off.

Admitting you are flawed is OK. Not correcting that flaw (in your case, extreme hubris), is NOT OK.

Your message of us all being flawed isn't ticking anyone off. All Christians know they are flawed. Your self-important designation as "flaw-teller" is more quaint (and sad) than off-putting.

But your trying to tie a more general (and appropriate) interpretation of Genesis with somehow not "knowing" Christ is egotistical in the least.

I'll leave you with a classic joke (I hope you'll understand when you read it and apologies [if needed] to my Jewish friends).

Two Rabbis go into the Temple after some serious, serious and extreme Holy reading. The first Rabbi, overtaken with his love and devotion for G-d, prostrates himself and says "Oh Lord! Before you I am NOTHING!"

The second Rabbi, overtaken by his love and devotion, also prostrates himself and says "Oh Lord! Before you I am NOTHING!"

A janitor working in the back of the Temple sees these and hears these Rabbis and, in a moment of pure love, prostates HIMSELF and says "Oh Lord! Before you I am NOTHING!"

The first Rabbi looks at the janitor and then tells the other Rabbi "so look who thinks he's nothing."

368 posted on 09/27/2006 8:30:06 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: Coyoteman

So soon -- Jeeze it isn't even the fourth inning ;)

You must be from Los Angeles.


369 posted on 09/27/2006 8:31:08 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: Gordongekko909

I believe god created evolution.


370 posted on 09/27/2006 8:34:42 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: stands2reason

I said exactly what I meant. Have you a problem with that?


371 posted on 09/27/2006 8:37:36 PM PDT by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: freedumb2003
That (#368) reminds me:


372 posted on 09/27/2006 8:38:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: stands2reason

I sure do.


373 posted on 09/27/2006 8:39:04 PM PDT by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Once again my lengthy post has been outdone by brevity!

I am sure there is a lesson in here for me.

If I can only figure out what it is.

Hmmmmm....

;)


374 posted on 09/27/2006 8:39:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: Buck W.
We don't NEED ice cream, but ....

Say What???? ;)

375 posted on 09/27/2006 8:43:28 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: freedumb2003

It makes sense when you read the original post!


376 posted on 09/27/2006 8:46:59 PM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: finnman69

ohboyohboy! Do we get to see Piltdown Man?! Such is the quality of "proof" of Darwinism...


377 posted on 09/27/2006 8:52:38 PM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: Blackirish
I believe god created evolution.

God created a Universe so incredibly awesome and intricate that if Man investigates millions of years he (man) will just brush the surface. The more we learn, the more astounded we are at the beauty and symmetry of the Universe (and who knows about "other Universes."

And the God who created it all stands OUTSIDE of this Universe and ALL Universes. And this God saw this dust speck of a planet and its people and sent His Son to save us. He could have flicked us out of existence with a thought. Instead He gave us Love and tried to teach us Love through His Word and the words of His Son.

It saddens me that Creationists would limit God so much. They see him as Q or Gandalf writ large. A God they can comprehend and deal with. A very, very small God.

Of course the ID crowd is even worse. They think that God needs to keep reaching in and tweaking and changing things "on the fly" since He didn't really know how things would happen. This little-g God is closer to the "what does god need with a starship" variety.

My God -- the God of Abraham and God the Father -- is capable of anything. He gave us so much. To throw it back in His face by limiting Him is a (sadly ineffective) tantrum.

But your version works (capital G, though).

378 posted on 09/27/2006 8:54:43 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: Frwy

Well, what is it?


379 posted on 09/27/2006 8:56:01 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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