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Producers move to debunk "Peak Oil" forecasts: report
People's Daily Online ^ | September 15, 2006 | People's Daily Online

Posted on 09/24/2006 11:45:02 AM PDT by Star Traveler

Leading petroleum producers, including Saudi Arabia and Exxon Mobil Corp., are aggressively arguing that plenty of crude oil remains for world consumption, a move to counter critics who contend crude output is about to plateau, according to the Wall Street Journal on Thursday.

The argument, known as the "peak-oil" theory, has provided intellectual backing for the boom in crude prices and sowed doubts among some policy makers about crude's long-term reliability as an energy source.

Such doubts, coupled with concern over sky-high prices, have added impetus to the search for oil substitutes -- including in Washington, where President Bush declared the country was "addicted to oil" and sparked a boom in interest in ethanol.

Some in the industry are keen to fight the threat posed by such fears.

Abdallah S. Jum'ah, chief executive of Saudi Arabian state-owned Saudi Aramco, the world's largest oil company by production, argued on Wednesday during a speech in Vienna that the world has more than a century's worth of crude left at current production rates.

His talk followed similar remarks by a senior Exxon executive this week. Spokesmen for Exxon and Aramco said they were not coordinating their remarks, according to the report carried by The Wall Street Journal.

The belief that the Earth is running dry of oil is just one factor supporting crude prices. Oil supplies -- constrained by under-investment when crude prices were lower -- have increased more slowly than demand, leading to a thin margin of spare pumping capacity and higher prices, says the report.

Demand has shown signs of slowing and prices have fallen from a nominal all-time high of more than 78 dollars a barrel in July, although, adjusted for inflation, oil reached as high as 99.21 dollars in April 1980.

In New York on Wednesday, crude-oil futures rose 21 cents to settle at 63.97 dollars.

In a sign that oil-supply concerns are gaining currency, the U.S. Department of Energy has asked the National Petroleum Council, an oil-and-gas-industry research group, to investigate peak-oil claims.

The council launched a study that includes different industries and environmental groups.

It will survey existing studies and examine why they differ on how much oil and gas the world holds and what the response should be.

At an OPEC seminar on Wednesday, Jum'ah of Aramco said the world had produced only about one trillion barrels, or about 18 percent, of the earth's producible potential of 5.7 trillion barrels of oil.

"That fact alone should discredit the argument that peak oil is imminent, and put our minds at ease concerning future petroleum supplies," he said.

The remaining 4.7 trillion barrels should be enough to last more than 140 years at current output rates, he said.

Saudi Arabia, with a quarter of the world's proven crude reserves, has an interest in countering developments that would reduce demand.

"If you are sitting on the world's biggest oil deposits, you would want to prevent the premature development of alternatives to oil," said Herman Franssen, president of International Energy Ass.

Jum'ah said the Saudis "don't mind the development of alternatives to oil," because increasing energy demand means the world needs supplemental energy sources.

The chief executive, however, objected to government subsidies and other support that led people to believe that alternatives like ethanol were a "panacea" and were only "around the corner."

However, the oil industry says that while oil is finite, the known pool of obtainable oil grows as technology improves.

"I think there's a lot of misconceptions of what peak oil is," Raymond, who is leading the U.S. oil study, said in an interview with the business newspaper last week. "The resource base is continually changing, driven by economics and technology."

Source: Xinhua


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: energy; opec; peakoil; peakoiltheory; saudiarabia
Well..., no "peak-oil" problem, it seems...
1 posted on 09/24/2006 11:45:05 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler
The Hubbard Peak theory has been around for quite a while. Peaks have been predicted with clockwork regularity for the past three decades. Needless to say, they've been wrong every time.

This is no different from global warming, population bombs, or any other alarmist garbage. Will we eventually run out of oil? Yeah. But not for at least a century. And when oil prices cross with those of other energy sources, we switch. My money's on nuclear.

2 posted on 09/24/2006 11:49:03 AM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: All

"Peak food" was debunked hundreds of years ago, some people never learn.

http://www.economyprofessor.com/economictheories/malthusian-population-theory.php


3 posted on 09/24/2006 12:00:04 PM PDT by CaliGangsta
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To: Star Traveler
Leading petroleum producers, including Saudi Arabia and Exxon Mobil Corp., are aggressively arguing that plenty of crude oil remains for world consumption, a move to counter critics who contend crude output is about to plateau, according to the Wall Street Journal on Thursday.

What a stupid statement.

There might be enough oil for 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 more years. That's not the point. Peak oil concerns peak production. There may still be plenty of oil even after the production peak. It will just be harder to get at.

The new find in the Gulf of Mexico proves the point. There they had to have platform floating a mile above the sea floor and a drill that went down another four miles to get to the oil.

There may be lost of oil left, but it's less and less easy to get to and that fact has important consequences.

4 posted on 09/24/2006 12:01:25 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: Star Traveler
The really amazing thing is that most of the same people who are in a panic about "peak oil" are also in a panic about "global warming". They just can't seem to put it together that if the first scenario happens; the "greenhouse gas problem" is automatically resolved. They stay up half the night worrying that we'll soon run out of oil. They stay up the rest of the night worrying that we won't be running out of oil soon enough.
5 posted on 09/24/2006 12:04:33 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Star Traveler

"The Glaciers Are Melting. The Earth Temperature Is Increasing. The Oceans Are Cooling. The Rain Forests Are Disapearing, and We Are Running Out Of Oil."

"The End Is Near. Repent All Yee Sinners 'Cuz We's All Gonna Die'--So Sayeth The Lord.

Not too sure about all the Libs/Dims/Socialists/Moozies, but I would imagine that most of us good Conservative Freepers are ready. LOL

6 posted on 09/24/2006 1:06:07 PM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: Star Traveler
I know I allways feel better when Saudi Arabia says everything's gonna be fine..

The remaining 4.7 trillion barrels should be enough to last more than 140 years at current output rates, he said.

Interesting that no one questions the use of "current output rates" in the equation.. I suppose if demand and production remain constant, the peak wouldn't be for another 70 years.. too bad growth curves don't work like that..
7 posted on 09/24/2006 2:32:22 PM PDT by dwntmpo (Talking to a republican about peak oil, is like talking to a democrat about islamic terrorism.)
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To: dwntmpo

About a year ago, the Saudi's proclaimed their reserves alone are more than the world will ever need. They stated new technology will evenutually render oil obsolete as a source of fuel long before their reserves are depleated. I thought it was a bold statement by a nation whos best interest is served by making everyone believe oil is going to run out in the near future.

The Saudi Government's theory was based upon their belief that Saudi Arabia has undiscovered reserves double that of what is known now. They believed that deeper sources of oil and the use of new technology would allow them to extract these deeper reserves.


8 posted on 09/24/2006 2:41:45 PM PDT by WildWeasel
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To: Star Traveler
Abdallah S. Jum'ah argued that the world has more than a century's worth of crude left

Maybe, but as far as I'm concerned the prospect of another century of depending upon unstable suppliers (such as the Mideast and Venezuela) for a commodity critical to our survival is foolish at best and suicidal at worst. The time is now for the development of alternatives, regardless of how many years of oil might remain in the ground.

9 posted on 09/24/2006 3:12:57 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Star Traveler

Nope, this mantra has been a ploy, going back to Pres. "Goober" Carter, by lib's to control and manage the general population's lives. Same thing with the environmental movement, all about control of other's behavior. If markets are allowed to prevail, there will be plenty of affordable energy for, well, forever.


10 posted on 09/24/2006 3:27:14 PM PDT by snoringbear
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To: WildWeasel
"The Saudi Government's theory was based upon their belief that Saudi Arabia has undiscovered reserves double that of what is known now."

I like that one.. Estimates that say how much someone has of something, that they haven't found yet..

This is from the EIA's website..

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/feature_articles/2004/worldoilsupply/oilsupply04.html

In any event, the world production peak for conventionally reservoired crude is unlikely to be "right around the corner" as so many other estimators have been predicting. Our analysis shows that it will be closer to the middle of the 21st century than to its beginning.

Closer to 2050 than 2000? If we had government data that says global warming was going to make the planet uninhabitable in 40 years, would we care? If Islamists say they plan to take over the world in 40 years, would we try to stop them?

And yet the 'conservative' view on oil is that technology will save us and prove those 'moonbats' wrong..

Well..., no "peak-oil" problem, it seems...
...
This is no different from global warming, population bombs, or any other alarmist garbage.
...
"Peak food" was debunked hundreds of years ago, some people never learn.
...
the same people who are in a panic about "peak oil" are also in a panic about "global warming"

Amazing.
11 posted on 09/24/2006 3:36:33 PM PDT by dwntmpo (Talking to a republican about peak oil, is like talking to a democrat about islamic terrorism.)
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To: Gordongekko909
Hubbard's Peak has been reached in many oil producing countries. It will soon be evident that world peak oil production is upon us. The bell curve peaks when about half of recoverable oil reserves have been pumped out, the 4.7 trillion barrels of world reserves stated in the article include large amounts of oil shale and sands, not easily or perhaps not even economically recoverable. The estimated total easy world oil reserves stood at 2 trillion barrels for a long time, we have used half of that. Oil is becoming ever more difficult and expensive to obtain. Hubbard's Peak is a mathematical projection based upon oil discoveries in various regions, and has been shown true in example after example. We need to be developing alternative energy sources posthaste.
12 posted on 09/24/2006 5:42:34 PM PDT by GregoryFul (cheap, immigrant labor built America)
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To: mc6809e
There might be enough oil for 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 more years. That's not the point. Peak oil concerns peak production. There may still be plenty of oil even after the production peak. It will just be harder to get at.
Would you mind pointing out to us where the NEWS is in that statement?
13 posted on 09/24/2006 6:04:36 PM PDT by _Jim (Highly recommended book on the Kennedy assassination - Posner: "Case Closed")
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To: GregoryFul
It will soon be evident that world peak oil production is upon us.
Sorry, but I put this statement in the same category with Algore's 'we only have ten years left' ... where we presently have 9 yrs, 126 days and 4 hrs left ...
14 posted on 09/24/2006 6:09:43 PM PDT by _Jim (Highly recommended book on the Kennedy assassination - Posner: "Case Closed")
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To: WildWeasel
The Saudi Government's theory was based upon their belief that Saudi Arabia has undiscovered reserves double that of what is known now. They believed that deeper sources of oil and the use of new technology would allow them to extract these deeper reserves.
That's all well and good, but, the 'peak oil' crowd says it is going to be harder to get at and cost more.

And I say: "So bill me."

15 posted on 09/24/2006 6:12:28 PM PDT by _Jim (Highly recommended book on the Kennedy assassination - Posner: "Case Closed")
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To: Star Traveler
"I think there's a lot of misconceptions of what peak oil is," Raymond, who is leading the U.S. oil study, said in an interview with the business newspaper last week. "The resource base is continually changing, driven by economics and technology."

Indeed. The "peak oil" idea is generally not understood.

Essentially "peak oil" means that as oil gets expensive people shift to substitutes and oil production declines.

It is important to note that the word "oil" in "peak oil" refers only to petroleum, that is, to pumpable liquids. Tar sands and oil shale and other unpumpable deposits are not petroleum. "Coal" and "oil" are only names for parts of a continuum.
16 posted on 09/24/2006 6:36:45 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: _Jim

It is what a number of experts are saying - who cares what you "believe".


17 posted on 09/24/2006 7:05:02 PM PDT by GregoryFul (cheap, immigrant labor built America)
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To: Iris7
Tar sands and oil shale and other unpumpable deposits are not petroleum.

But they are being included in the "reserves" figure. Look at the sudden dramatic increase in Canadian reserves in the 90's. Oil tar sands. At $60 per barrel, maybe economically recoverable.

18 posted on 09/24/2006 7:09:11 PM PDT by GregoryFul (cheap, immigrant labor built America)
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To: GregoryFul

You're going to have to tell me what you are responding to, because, nowhere did I say I 'believed' anything.

I stated where I thought your statement belonged, alongside Algore's ...


19 posted on 09/24/2006 7:41:09 PM PDT by _Jim (Highly recommended book on the Kennedy assassination - Posner: "Case Closed")
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