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Heart Attack Patient Dies In ER Waiting Room- Ruled a Homicide
Associated Press ^ | 9/16/06 | 60 Gunner

Posted on 09/16/2006 9:25:30 PM PDT by 60Gunner

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To: TomServo
About 3 minutes later I flatlined. But they got me back. Man - did I give 'em a scare...heh heh...haven't smoked since...:-)

Let me guess, you didn't pass through any tunnel with a bright light at the end of it either did you.

I'm asked quite often if I have had any life long changes in attitude since and I always respond with the same "Nope, I'm STILL ornery as ever"! ; )

201 posted on 09/17/2006 6:46:20 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: trussell
Would you mind explaining what you felt and what the diagnoses was? For the benefit of others who may be feeling the same and not know how much danger they could really be in!

A sharp chest pain for just a second and from then on feeling like I had a golf ball lodged in my throat.

Remember however I didn't have a heart attack, it was different however just as deadly.

202 posted on 09/17/2006 6:50:39 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
Remember however I didn't have a heart attack, it was different however just as deadly.

I do remember that...with knowledge of what it felt like, and what the problem was...your testimony could save lives. If the person waits too long, it WILL be too late.

203 posted on 09/17/2006 6:55:09 AM PDT by trussell (Work for God...the retirement benefits are eternal!)
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To: trussell
Oh, and good morning! : ) I'm lucky today. There is a lot of abodes in the area in shambles. I will only have to clean up branches.

Some homes were destroyed just by strait winds without rotation.

204 posted on 09/17/2006 7:02:17 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS

Good morning to you! I had been praying after your email...asking for your protection and that of your friends and family. I'm thankful, and will give praises to God for his blessing!


205 posted on 09/17/2006 7:10:00 AM PDT by trussell (Work for God...the retirement benefits are eternal!)
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To: rebelyell7
This nurse losing her license is probably warranted. Facing criminal charges is absurd. There is no evidence of any malicious intent; unless you've never made a serious mistake in your job, I wouldn't throw the first stone. Maybe the nurse misunderstood her symptom descriptions, maybe she just made a big mistake and should lose her license and be held civilly liable. But the moment you start throwing medical professionals in jail for messing up (even for serious mistakes) you're going to radically change the health care system and you won't like how it ends up.

Perhaps so, but does medical malpractice ever become criminally negligent homicide? No? No matter how negligent?

Just curious.

206 posted on 09/17/2006 7:27:56 AM PDT by Brujo (Quod volunt, credunt.)
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To: 60Gunner
"And the moral of the story for my non-nursing readers out there is: chest pain + shortness of breath + nausea =" Ticket to the front of the line during flu season.

Ask some one with the flu if they have these symptoms, and the govt (aka taxpayers aka you and me) will be giving them $5K doses of nyquill at the end of their "ER visit".

207 posted on 09/17/2006 7:44:06 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If a monkey bangs away at a typewriter twice a week for ten years it could write an M. Dowd column.)
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To: NinoFan

No, not me.


208 posted on 09/17/2006 7:51:51 AM PDT by ER Doc
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To: baa39

There are people who actually physically damage themselves
in order to be seen and treated. There are people who
also know all the symptoms of a disease and repeat them to
the physician in order to be treated. These are well
known syndromes....So if someone presents with too many
complaints, but the physical, ekg, labs, etc are negative
they get put on low priority..,


209 posted on 09/17/2006 7:52:14 AM PDT by Getready (Truth and wisdom are more elusive, and valuable, than gold and diamonds)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Thank heavens we have so many medical people on this thread to make it known that these are serious symptoms...hopefully people wont be swayed from seeking appropriate treatment due to your comment

What if it were your mother, father, child, etc...who was having a serious cardiac episode, Would you want them to get immediate treatment? If it turned out to be the flu, would you be thankful or resentful that you would have to pay for a portion of their treatment with your taxes?


210 posted on 09/17/2006 7:59:42 AM PDT by trussell (Work for God...the retirement benefits are eternal!)
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To: 60Gunner

The only problem with that viewpoint is that many hospital
administrators, 3rd party payers, and patients expect nurses
to do everything at once, and do more with less..

It's amazing, we have money for SUV's, plasma TV's,
gambling, cable TV, cellphones, botox., diet products,
going out to dinner daily, sports entertainment, liquor,
cigarettes, dangerously fast cars, high fashion, lattes,
money for failing public schools, 22 inch wheel rims on
cars and trucks, car DVDs, legal and illegal drugs,
money to pay for illegals schooling and health care, portable
backyard barbeques, motorhomes, time-shares, world wide
vacations, $150 dollar sneakers, $500 sunglasses, $150
steaks, $600 bottles of wine, home theaters...
but got no money for our own health care...

Just an observation, mind you, not a condemnation.


211 posted on 09/17/2006 8:09:00 AM PDT by Getready (Truth and wisdom are more elusive, and valuable, than gold and diamonds)
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To: contrarian

One of my friends used to tell me about the "womens" hospital
he had to train at, where a lot of the pregnant
women would come in and complain of stomach pain, and would
get a free sonogram. The suspicion was that many just wanted
to get a sonogram done, so would complain of symptoms which
a sonogram was needed for diagnosis...prety slick, no?


I personally knew a health professional, who pretended to
have a very sore neck, was wearing a brace, but what he
was doing was going around to different doctors, getting
prescriptions for opiate (read morphine) based painkillers.
We found out later, that on the day he got a potent opiate
based painkiller, that he had checked himself into a hospital
with chest pain (morphine is used to relieve the chest pain
as it is a decent vasodilator)...fortunately he was
fired from his position as soon as his behaviour was
discovered.


212 posted on 09/17/2006 8:20:54 AM PDT by Getready (Truth and wisdom are more elusive, and valuable, than gold and diamonds)
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To: trussell
>"hopefully people wont be swayed from seeking appropriate treatment due to your comment "

Hopefully not.

It is getting harder and harder to get emergency treatment, was my point.

When the ED if filled with people that claim chest pains just to get in a bed, and get seen first. It becomes difficult to know who to actually see first. I worked in an ED back in 95 , and saw many abuses of the system. People giving affirmatives to the simple questions, only when in the presence of the MD, did the real problems surface. My ankle, my ghonorreah, my infected toenail, why yes everyone I know has the flu.

When the ED is packed with everyone claiming MI symptoms, who do you see first?

213 posted on 09/17/2006 8:21:24 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If a monkey bangs away at a typewriter twice a week for ten years it could write an M. Dowd column.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
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Something like that?
214 posted on 09/17/2006 8:29:29 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: rawcatslyentist

When people do that, they should be escorted back to the waiting room and made to wait until all other cases have been seen. Eventually, they will learn to not take advantage of the system.


215 posted on 09/17/2006 8:30:55 AM PDT by trussell (Work for God...the retirement benefits are eternal!)
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To: rawcatslyentist
My 25 year old niece went to the ER because she thought she had the flu. She got to where she couldn't even make it across the room without holding onto the walls. Long story short.....She was diagnosed with congestive heart failure, transfered to Loma Linda U, she died 10 days after being diagnosed.
216 posted on 09/17/2006 8:33:00 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: msnimje
To the best of my knowledge, if you have an emergency in the UK you get immediate treatment. It's the elective stuff for which you have to put your name down at birth.
217 posted on 09/17/2006 8:36:18 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: 60Gunner
I am not a doctor. I am a nurse.

Then I thank you even more. All the stress and exhaustion, without the possibility of a six figure income.

218 posted on 09/17/2006 9:08:56 AM PDT by Semper911 ("We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." -Marge Simpson)
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To: 1035rep
Sorry to hear about that.

How long did she wait in the waiting room, behind non emergency cases?

219 posted on 09/17/2006 9:29:25 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If a monkey bangs away at a typewriter twice a week for ten years it could write an M. Dowd column.)
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To: EGPWS

"Nope, I'm STILL ornery as ever"!

You too, huh? :-)


220 posted on 09/17/2006 9:44:57 AM PDT by TomServo ("Uh, Donner, party of three please.")
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