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To: DannyTN

If evolution predicts that the strong survive, then doesn't that imply that the weak die off? If so, then why do the enviros get so bent out of shape when some species die off, i.e. become extinct?


70 posted on 09/13/2006 4:40:37 PM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: sportutegrl
If evolution predicts that the strong survive

That's one of those social progressive paraphrases. It has little to do with the theory of biological evolution.

76 posted on 09/13/2006 4:43:00 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: sportutegrl
If evolution predicts that the strong survive, then doesn't that imply that the weak die off?

Well, it doesn't predict that the strong survive. It predicts that those species best adapted to their environment survive, and that changes in the environment can change the definition of "best adapted."

If so, then why do the enviros get so bent out of shape when some species die off, i.e. become extinct?

I'm not a watermelon, but I do get annoyed with the idea of humanity knocking off entire species either by accident or deliberately, if we can reasonably avoid doing so. This planet is, for the foreseeable future, our home; we should take care of it with the same diligence we should have in maintaining and cleaning our individual homes.

85 posted on 09/13/2006 4:47:24 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: sportutegrl
if evolution predicts that the strong survive, then doesn't that imply that the weak die off?

That is not what evolution predicts. Evolution discusses fitness in particular "landscape" AND robustness to changes in the landscape. Your immune response, raising your body temperature to 104 degrees, depends upon bacteria that thrive at 98.6 not doing so well at elevated temperatures - for instance. Dinosaurs did well until the mass extinction, at which point mammals, which were less fit for survival in competition with dinosaurs suddenly were a lot more fit under this cosmic nuclear winter. Strong and weak are relative terms. Mice are weak against all of their competitors. They reproduce to compensate.

91 posted on 09/13/2006 4:50:32 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: sportutegrl; DannyTN; AndyJackson; RightWhale; BeHoldAPaleHorse
If evolution predicts that the strong survive, then doesn't that imply that the weak die off? If so, then why do the enviros get so bent out of shape when some species die off, i.e. become extinct?

Because a) that's a really lousy description of evolution, and b) evolution, like science in general, describes what happens in nature. That in no way requires humanity to follow suit.

For example, the fact that epidemics occur in nature doesn't mean that we ought to idly sit by while diseases run rampant.

If humans enjoyed things happening according to the laws of nature, and didn't have our own ideas about how conditions could be improved, we'd still be living in caves.

102 posted on 09/13/2006 4:55:10 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: sportutegrl
If evolution predicts that the strong survive, then doesn't that imply that the weak die off?

I did a KILLER version of that song last night at Kareoke. It was the original Billie Holiday mix and I pitched it an octave low and did a few riffs (but not too many).

It will now be part of my permanent song rotation.

111 posted on 09/13/2006 4:59:25 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The state board will meet in closed session to discuss whether it violated an open meetings law)
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To: sportutegrl
why do the enviros get so bent out of shape when some species die off,

They don't. They don't even know if and when that happens. What they don't like is the IDEA that some species die off. Even though 99% of all species that ever existed have died off.

114 posted on 09/13/2006 5:00:26 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: sportutegrl
If evolution predicts that the strong survive, then doesn't that imply that the weak die off? If so, then why do the enviros get so bent out of shape when some species die off, i.e. become extinct?

Evolution does not predict that the strong survive.

258 posted on 09/13/2006 7:18:49 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: sportutegrl
"If evolution predicts that the strong survive, then doesn't that imply that the weak die off? If so, then why do the enviros get so bent out of shape when some species die off, i.e. become extinct?"

Yeah, you would think, the enviros would simply say that's natural let it be. But of course since everything is man's fault and in particular Bush's fault, they'll never view it that way.

Actually, Scientists tell us there have been hundreds of extinctions in our lifetime. And something on the order of 1/3 of all bird species have gone extinct in the last 2000 years. So where are the new species, to keep up? We discover new species in extreme environments that have probably existed for ages. But I know of only two that proposed as "recent" new species. And they are just mosquitos and moths that have become isolated so long that they have lost the ability or will to mate with others of their species.

It seems like at current rates, we would see a lot of extinct species in the fossil record, which we do. But extinction without many new species is consistent with a cursed earth instead of evolution providing ever more diversity.

295 posted on 09/13/2006 7:59:03 PM PDT by DannyTN
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