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Life 2.0 (Science plays God)
The Economist ^ | 9/10/06 | The Economist

Posted on 09/10/2006 5:38:02 AM PDT by voletti

At the moment, what passes for genetic engineering is mere pottering. It means moving genes one at a time from species to species so that bacteria can produce human proteins that are useful as drugs, and crops can produce bacterial proteins that are useful as insecticides. True engineering would involve more radical redesigns. But the Carlson curve (Dr Carlson disavows the name, but that may not stop it from sticking) is making that possible.

In the short run such engineering means assembling genes from different organisms to create new metabolic pathways or even new organisms. In the long run it might involve re-writing the genetic code altogether, to create things that are beyond the range of existing biology. These are enterprises far more worthy of the name of genetic engineering than today's tinkering. But since that name is taken, the field's pioneers have had to come up with a new one. They have dubbed their fledgling discipline “synthetic biology”. Truly intelligent design

One of synthetic biology's most radical spirits is Drew Endy. Dr Endy, who works at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, came to the subject from engineering, not biology. As an engineer, he can recognise a kludge when he sees one. And life, in his opinion, is a kludge.

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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Not getting enough attention on the thread? Too bad.


121 posted on 09/12/2006 5:07:31 AM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
re: Why is it that the Macroevolutionists seem to always try to get the last post on what end out becoming crevo threads?)))

Because they have an archive of spam.

This stuff has been posted by the same posters, hundreds of times. It's one of the vagaries of the internet--you can shut down discussion just by shunting in truckloads of what has already been hashed and rehashed.

122 posted on 09/12/2006 5:40:01 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

You have an interesting hypothesis, however you neglected to provide or reference any evidence for your claims.


123 posted on 09/12/2006 5:50:07 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Mamzelle
This stuff has been posted by the same posters, hundreds of times.

If creationists would stop making the same repeatedly debunked claims, it would not be necessary for us to continue referencing the same refutatians.
124 posted on 09/12/2006 6:00:52 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; Ichneumon
Showering down what you obviously consider to be support for missing links isn't going to fly. In many cases, fossils of the supposed end species are dated as being earlier than that of the missing link. Others have superficially appeared to be transitional species and have later been declared to be unrelated.

You read those (more than 50) links in 14 minutes?

You remind me of the guy with his fingers in his ears going "la la la" At the top of his voice.

125 posted on 09/12/2006 6:02:21 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Mamzelle
This stuff has been posted by the same posters, hundreds of times.

It is because the average creationist here refuses to learn and keeps spouting the same nonsense thread after thread.

This continual spouting of nonsense that has been refuted for more than the five years I have been here is nothing more than a form of disruption. It detracts from the original intent of the thread.

Thusly, once again the creationists trash a perfectly good science thread.

126 posted on 09/12/2006 6:10:25 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Some of them were pinged from outside, in case you didn't notice. But evos without religious conservatives make for just another low-subscription and poorly attended thread...like in another forum I know.


127 posted on 09/12/2006 6:26:21 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
just another low-subscription and poorly attended thread...like in another forum I know.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Gads. I bet you spend more time over there than I do.

128 posted on 09/12/2006 6:54:48 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Ichneumon
Wouldn't a prudent person bother to learn about a subject before pontificating upon it or making blanket claims about it?

LOL!

Now you're being silly. ;)

129 posted on 09/12/2006 7:20:58 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: RadioAstronomer

130 posted on 09/12/2006 7:22:23 AM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
It is because the average creationist here refuses to learn and keeps spouting the same nonsense thread after thread.

When you're trolling for suckers, it doesn't matter if some aren't taking the bait (or why) so long as you think some are.

131 posted on 09/12/2006 7:26:45 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Oooo! Font size seven. Case closed.


132 posted on 09/12/2006 8:03:11 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: voletti

I for one welcome our new bio-robot overlords.


133 posted on 09/12/2006 8:04:14 AM PDT by Truth-The Anti Spin
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134 posted on 09/12/2006 8:08:11 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Where are the anachronistic fossils? Where are the moderate creationists?)
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To: metmom
Give me one example where order and complexity are known to arise from a non intelligent cause

The Democratic National Convention?

135 posted on 09/12/2006 8:12:04 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Right Brother

Oh, OK. You gotta point.


136 posted on 09/12/2006 8:13:35 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
but man was CREATED perfect

Perfection apparently includes the quality of degenerating.

137 posted on 09/12/2006 8:27:48 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Ichneumon

Data-dump placemarker.


138 posted on 09/12/2006 8:36:19 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: metmom
Snowflakes are just evidence that water molecules behave according to the laws of chemistry and physics.

Exactly! And DNA is just evidence that certain organic molecules behave according to the laws of chemistry and physics. I think you've done an excellent job here of revealing ID to be utter bollocks.

139 posted on 09/12/2006 8:38:03 AM PDT by RogueIsland (.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Humanity could return to its state before the Flood

What Flood? There was no Flood.

140 posted on 09/12/2006 8:38:54 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The state board will meet in closed session to discuss whether it violated an open meetings law)
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