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1 posted on 09/05/2006 12:34:40 PM PDT by VegasVic
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Time for the obligatory 'Humans do not cause Global Warming" slide


Note: Yes, CO2 is higher than ever before... BUT... C02 is a lagging factor, not a leading factor to global temperatures.
2 posted on 09/05/2006 12:36:56 PM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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Bubbles of air in the 800,000-year-old ice, drilled in the Antarctic, show levels of CO2 changing with the climate.

Yep, generally lagging it by some 800 years. No evidence that CO2 drives climate change, but the evidence suggests the opposite relationship.

3 posted on 09/05/2006 12:38:01 PM PDT by Always Right
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There is an urgent need to find innovative technologies to reduce the impact we are having on our climate

What's that, professor? You mean you're not personally willing to reduce your lifestyle to living naked in the woods, eating tree bark, and having no clean water? You want someone else to figure out how solve these problems?

4 posted on 09/05/2006 12:39:52 PM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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I understand that there is some reason to see a relationship between the two, but it irks me when scientists say "I know how temperature has been changing -- I've plotted the CO2!"

In theory, measuring CO2 will tell you temperature patterns. In practice, theory is often wrong.

5 posted on 09/05/2006 12:39:58 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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Correlation is not causality


6 posted on 09/05/2006 12:39:59 PM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Being That Guy so you don't have to.)
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http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

Nope, the findings seem to fit science with or without man perfectly. And guess what, the CO2 levels still do not tell a story that effectively changes the temperature of earth enough to call it man made.


8 posted on 09/05/2006 12:42:32 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (War Monger...In the name of liberty, let's go to war!!!!)
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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Just how much of the "Greenhouse Effect" is caused by human activity?

It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account-- about 5.53%, if not.

This point is so crucial to the debate over global warming that how water vapor is or isn't factored into an analysis of Earth's greenhouse gases makes the difference between describing a significant human contribution to the greenhouse effect, or a negligible one.

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many "facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

10 posted on 09/05/2006 12:46:28 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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A quote from an article written by Peter Smith the author of this article.

Sir: There is an even greater problem than traffic congestion and that is its consequential emissions of carbon dioxide which are steadily rising. It is this which should be targeted.

One way to do this would be to provide every road user with a "ration" of carbon dioxide. The allowance could be embedded in a smart card which deducts the carbon content each time fuel is purchased. The card would be issued with the annual or half-yearly tax disc. If the allowance was exhausted there would be a punitive tax added to each subsequent purchase of fuel. Alternatively carbon credits could be purchased from road users with a surplus of credits via a carbon trading scheme. At the same time it would provide a strong incentive to switch to more carbon efficient vehicles.

In each case the price would be set by government and adjusted to reflect the nation's performance in meeting its carbon dioxide abatement targets. Obviously there would need to be fine tuning to redress the imbalance between rural and urban residents and to allow for the disabled and pensioners. But this would be far more cost-effective than journey pricing based on satellite technology and would remove any suspicion that the prime purpose is to raise revenue.

PROFESSOR PETER F SMITH

12 posted on 09/05/2006 12:53:36 PM PDT by Ben Mugged
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Damn it. I'm tired of this! Time for the truth!

There is only ONE explaination!!!

Now what ya gonna do mateys?

Join us! Be a pirate!

13 posted on 09/05/2006 12:54:45 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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not seen for hundreds of thousands of years,

Those hundred thousand year old SUV's must be classics by now.

14 posted on 09/05/2006 12:54:50 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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At one time the earth was covered 30% in ICE. The Glaciers declined alot since then and it was before man was even on the scene.

Global Warming is supported by Communists and One-World-Government types. Lately, these people have been trying like mad to say that any shift in climate is indicative of global warming. The agenda here is to get us to quit using fossil fuels and drive(WESTERN) civilization back 200 years and use their 'mandate' to impose worldwide socialism. "It will be for own good", they will say.

There is no direct evidence that C02 levels cause global warming. The current trend towards warming cannot be attributed to man. As long as they control the propaganda machine, they will repeat their lies until it becomes gospel truth to the masses.

I would like to see any scientist prove that Global Warming has even killed one person. And by prove, I mean prove unequivocally using Scientific method and principles. It can't be done.
17 posted on 09/05/2006 12:56:43 PM PDT by lmr (The answers to life don't involve complex solutions.)
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human activity has increased the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere

Just as I thought...

We must eliminate 1/2 of the world population immediately. This will not only reduce human CO2 emisions, but also save water.

I suggest doing this by eliminating ALL radical muslim countries (I think that covers them all) as a good start, followed by all liberal states and Congress.

18 posted on 09/05/2006 12:56:55 PM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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Levels not seen for hundreds of thousands of years. Who was here hundreds of thousands of years age to see the levels?

Where are the photoshop pictures for proof?
21 posted on 09/05/2006 1:03:26 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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You people have never gone to a party where the temp was 70 when the party started and the crowd soon makes the temp go up to 80 and you have to turn on the air conditioner. of course people are responsible for the global Warming. they are 98.7 degrees and are heating up the atmosphere/ the answer kill back about a billion, mostly Muslims and it will cool down.


22 posted on 09/05/2006 1:08:15 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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we all know that anything Reuters prints is gospel... cough cough
27 posted on 09/05/2006 1:16:51 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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What has caused the drastic reduction in CO2 over the last 800,000 years? What went wrong that we are only now recovering?


29 posted on 09/05/2006 1:34:18 PM PDT by DBrow
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>> Air from the oldest ice core confirms human activity has increased the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere to levels not seen for hundreds of thousands of years... <<

Ummm, humm, the obvious question is: what happened the last time that levels were this high?

Curiously, scientists don't act like they believe their own data. They act as if humanity has driven CO2 levels to levels that have never been seen on earth.

Hello??? Is anyone home?

30 posted on 09/05/2006 1:36:38 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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