9/11: Five years later Typecasting Muslims as a Race

The San Francisco Chronicle ^ | September 3, 2006 | Matthai Chakko Kuruvila, Chronicle Religion Writer

[zimdog]

None of them ever tried to take out American airliners or tried to target Americans in their own land.

The Klan never "tried to target Americans in their own land"? Please. And who knows what the LTTE operatives arrested in New York last week were planning?

. To equate any of these groups as an equal threat to the Islamofascist threat is disingenuous.

It's disingenuous to say that I "equated these groups as an equal threat". You said that "almost every terrorist is a Muslim" and I provided you with the names of 7 well-known, non-Muslim terrorist groups.

[Valin]

Only because we weren't in their way. Remember Islamic terrorist groups basically targeted thier own governments until 79.
I would recomend Jihad: The Trail of Political Islam by Gilles Kepel
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0674008774?v=glance

If for no other reason than it is a good history of the modern Islamist movement, and why they are and will continue to lose.

[zimdog]

None of them ever tried to take out American airliners or tried to target Americans in their own land. Most of them never targeted Americans anywhere else either.

Try telling the British (our steadfast allies in the War on Terror) that the IRA bombings of the 1970s and 1980s were not terrorist acts because they did not target Americans "across the Pond". Try telling the Israelis that Hizbullah is not a terrorist group because their Katyushas were not fired at American airliners.

If you do tell them that, be sure you have on your running shoes.

[Peisistratus]

"Daniel Pipes"

You think Daniel Pipes agrees with you?

[zimdog]

me too

[muir_redwoods]

I would really hate it if people started referring to muslims as bottom-feeding scum-sucking pig-dog excrement-eaters without a shred of humanity or civilised instincts within them.

That would be bad

[Neophyte]

In some situations, "Muslim" are an ethnic or national category.

No, it is is not. In any situation, it is a confession, and the fact that in some ethnic or national groups it prevails, does not change anything.

Cut the crap (invented, in the case of former Yugoslavia, by the Comintern stouge Tito).

[Neophyte]

Comparing Islamic terrorism to Judeo-Christian "terrorism" in historical context and saying they come out even is moral equivalence of incredibly false proportions and reveals either willful ingorance or delusion.

Right on the money.

Why is it, that those seeing moral equivalence between Islamic and Judeo-Christian actions, usually are also deluded by the Communism/Capitalism lines? For them, the former member of the French Communist party Pol Pot was a puppet of American imperialism...

[Tamar1973]

Try telling the British (our steadfast allies in the War on Terror) that the IRA bombings of the 1970s and 1980s were not terrorist acts because they did not target Americans "across the Pond". Try telling the Israelis that Hizbullah is not a terrorist group because their Katyushas were not fired at American airliners.

Neither the IRA (nor any of the other groups you previously mentioned) have the amount of blood on their hands that the Islamofascist groups (including Hezbollah) has. You forget that until 9-11, Hezbollah had more American Blood on their hands than any other group.

The idea that you can put any of those groups as an equal threat level with Islamoterrorists shows you're delusional.

[Neophyte]

You said that "almost every terrorist is a Muslim" and I provided you with the names of 7 well-known, non-Muslim terrorist groups.

Yeah right... on the backdrop of 77777 Muslim ones. The observation that almost every terrorist is a Muslim still stays.

[Tamar1973]

The Klan never "tried to target Americans in their own land"? Please. And who knows what the LTTE operatives arrested in New York last week were planning?

The idea that you consider the KKK as much of a threat as Islamofascists show how delusional you are.

[Alouette]

it's hard to look at the IRA, ETA, LTTE, KKK, Shining Path, FARC, UNITA, etc and say that "almost every terrorist is a Muslim".

When was the last time any of these terrorists you mention committed any attacks of significance?

[zimdog]

In any situation, it is a confession, and the fact that in some ethnic or national groups it prevails, does not change anything.

Partition of India -- Muslims are told they are "Pakistanis" Hindus are told they are "Indians".

China -- Ethnic and cultural Han are considered "Hui" if they are Muslim.

South America -- Christian Levantines are "Syrios", Muslim Levantines are "Turcos".

East Africa -- Converting to Islam and turns a Kiswahili-speaking coastal "Mshenzi" into a "Mswahili".

And no, Tito did not invent the Bosniak/Serb/Croat distinction, although he may have given it more importance his Yugoslavia. Incidently, I think both he and Comintern officials in the USSR would have been very surpirsed to hear that he was a "Comintern stouge" -- Yugoslavia and the USSR were icily hostile to each other for most of the Cold War.

[Neophyte]

They were dressed like regular Americans living regular lives.

And that is why we shouldn't screen and profile Muslims? What a logic!

Security professionals had lifted these procedures to the state of art; there are much more factors they take into consideration that the dress code.

[zimdog]

The idea that you can put any of those groups as an equal threat level with Islamoterrorists shows you're delusional.

The idea that you think I'm attempting to do that shows you're unable to read at a middle-school level.

[zimdog]

Yeah right... on the backdrop of 77777 Muslim ones. The observation that almost every terrorist is a Muslim still stays.

So the Klan is 100% Muslim? Or are they not terrorists?

[A CA Guy]

You hear almost nothing from non-terrorist Islam against terrorist Islam.
The lack of speaking out against the terrorist is what is causing this stereotyping IMO.

If the KKK went into a city to piss blacks off, most all of America would be open, public and vocal regarding their disgust of the KKK. We don't get this kind of thing at all on any scale from Muslims against the terrorist Muslim community and it is bleeding their own culture to death IMO.

[Neophyte]

Partition of India -- Muslims are told they are "Pakistanis" Hindus are told they are "Indians".

China -- Ethnic and cultural Han are considered "Hui" if they are Muslim.

South America -- Christian Levantines are "Syrios", Muslim Levantines are "Turcos".

East Africa -- Converting to Islam and turns a Kiswahili-speaking coastal "Mshenzi" into a "Mswahili".

Local vernacular, nothing more. Calling Muslim Levantines in the certain region "Turcos" doesn't make them Turks, nor makes Islam anything different from a religion.

Yugoslavia and the USSR were icily hostile to each other for most of the Cold War.

That's true. And Hiler's Germany and Stalin's Russia were in a war which took millions of casualties from the both sides... yet their ideology, besides small cosmetic differences, was the same. Ditto Tito (the pun is intended).

[Tamar1973]

And that is why we shouldn't screen and profile Muslims? What a logic!

No. You just can't do it in a knee-jerk manner and if you believe that the only people who should be set aside for interviews are the ones w/ skull caps, long robes and scarves, you will miss the real threat sneaking into the plane wearing a button up shirt and chinos.

[Neophyte]

So the Klan is 100% Muslim? Or are they not terrorists?

This is lame. Doesn't worth answering.