Ex-homosexuals protest APA’s view of homosexuality

FloridaBaptistWitness ^ | Aug 24, 2006 | BP

[longtermmemmory]

It is all the 'exotic becomes erotic' priniciple.

The same way people have sex with animals,
The same way people have fetishes about pain,
The same way people swap wives,
The same way people have a fetish about leather,

it is the same with people who have a fetish about poping an orgasm with a member of the same sex.

There is no mystery. Normal people are born with specific parts. (save the BS example of birth defect children born with both since they are generally sterile and non-functioning sexually)

How you CHOOSE to use those specific parts for recreation after learning their proper use is your business. You have hands, you don't have to use your hands to be a shoplifter. We are talking about a behavior not an organ.

[scripter]

Think what you want.

Back at ya! Even members of the APA are now saying it's possible to leave the homosexual lifestyle: Sexual Orientation Change Is Possible— But Only Outside Of Therapy, Says APA Office Of Gay Concerns

Besides that, there is no scientific evidence anybody is born gay. If you think so, I'm more than interested in any article you can reference. You can't, but I had to make the offer.

[scripter]

If you can show me how to completely get rid of my heterosexuality

You continue to demonstrate a profound ignorance on the subject. Fortunately, there's a cure for that. It's called an education and you can get that education by clicking the links provided on this thread. Get back to me after you've read some of the links. That is, if you dare to get educated on the issue.

[DungeonMaster]

Wow, the APA has outed themselves as being totally evil! Well I knew it all the time. I've been telling people for years to avoid psychologists and their witchcraft cures and this is even more proof that that is a good idea.

[gidget7]

The answer to your question is YES. the follow up question of course is WHO would WANT to? Quite different from a homosexual wanting to live a normal life.

[KeepUSfree]

Just my observations. I have a friend with a son who is 4. He will be gay. Not that they treat him that way. And, I've seen many 4-year olds who do "feminie" things and grow up to be manly men. But, this kid will be gay.

There are all SORTS of things out there that we have no evidence for (yet). Doesn't make them untrue. We are still a mighty primative species...and, I have no doubt that the future will show what I proffer is true.

I have no agenda. I'm not gay and I think that being gay is unhealthy and, in many cases unnatural.

But, I still KNOW that some folks just are.

And, as I said, I think many - if not most gays are not actually "gay".(if you actually READ my post earlier you would see that I agree that many gays aren't gay - they are just "indoctirnated").

But, some are born to be gay. Period.

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

I have a friend who very successfully overcame his homosexuality and is running a place - a ministry of sorts - where people can go and do the same. I've known this guy for a long time (since high school days), and understand how he went down that path of homosexuality and very much appreciate what he did to change his life.

[longtermmemmory]

I remember from school, doing ANYTHING will cure 40% of all mental illnesses. Thus if you talk to a friend, engage in shoping therapy, or some new age quakery, it will make you feel better for having tried SOMETHING.

Homosexuals who are activists don't want treatment the same way a crack addict does not want treatment.

[KeepUSfree]

What does "furtherence of society" have to do with it. This isn't a contest. Ever fall in love with someone of the opposite sex who turnbed out "not to be good for you". Doesn't "further society".

This is about love...which is one of the main purposes of THIS universe. Some folks just happen to love the same sex.

And, if you don't think there are differences between men and women and that some traits are "feminine" and some are "masculine" and we all have both to varying degrees, then, you don't live on the same planet as me. Or, rather, you stick your head in the sand so as not to see the obvious.

[scripter]

I have a friend with a son who is 4. He will be gay.

And with all the right coaching, he will.

Regarding the I Do Exist video:

A 22-year-old man stands before a classroom of middle schoolers, describing how he came out as a homosexual and going so far as to declare, "there are gay students in this classroom."

The young man is Noé Gutierrez, Jr., and the scene is one from It's Elementary, an award-winning 1996 video (widely aired in 1999) which aims to give "practical lessons on how to talk with kids about gay people."

You won't find that scene in Gutierrez's latest video, however. Although he requested permission to use it, producer/director Debra Chasnoff turned him down. Apparently, she doesn't want school children knowing what's happened since then.

You see, Gutierrez is no longer gay.

Gutierrez realized how confused he was and got the help he needed.

Here's a pointer to more information: How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together

[scripter]

NARTH articles on the "born that way" theory

Here's a collection of articles on Homosexuality and Genetics

[Antoninus]

But, some are born to be gay. Period.

No one is born predisposed to put their penis in another man's anus. Period.

[Antoninus]

Just my observations. I have a friend with a son who is 4. He will be gay. Not that they treat him that way. And, I've seen many 4-year olds who do "feminie" things and grow up to be manly men. But, this kid will be gay.

And with people telling him that over and over again, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I knew a fellow who had "gender identity" issues as a very young boy. He played with dolls, he pretended to have long, flowing hair, and generally acted like a little girl. His parents didn't do much to discourage the behavior, but raised him with a good concept or right and wrong in a stable, two-parent household. They also didn't just assume that he'd be a sodomite when he grew up. Now that he's older, he shows a healthy interest in dating---girls.

Funny how that happens.

[longtermmemmory]

This is not about "love". You are just spouting a Prof. Lackoff talking point.

[little jeremiah]

Howdy, EdR!

BTTT!

[little jeremiah]

Great discussion.

[EdReform]

Even members of the APA are now saying it's possible to leave the homosexual lifestyle...

Indeed. And that includes the former President of the American Psychological Association, Dr. Robert Perloff:

Former APA President Supports NARTH's Mission Statement, Assails APA's Intolerance

"Dr. Perloff noted the growing body of research that contradicts the popular notion that change in sexual-orientation is not possible. He concluded, 'The research on sexual conversion is, therefore, very much a work in progress, an open question, and efforts to declare that conversion is 'doomed to failure' and is 'futile' are irresponsible, reactionary and intellectually flawed.'"

Good to see you again. Hope all is well!

[EdReform]

Good to see you again. Hope all is well!

[scripter]

Great discussion.

It reminds me of the good 'ol days. J

[scripter]

That is some great documentation you put together. I often forget about Perloff (and there's another that slips my mind) in addition to Spitzer--as far as I know he's still a member of the APA.