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These ludicrous lies about the West and Islam
The Observer ^ | 13 August 2006

Posted on 08/13/2006 2:29:03 PM PDT by mark502inf

The first Islamist terrorist plot against New York's World Trade Centre was carried out on 26 February 1993 with a car bomb under one of the twin towers. It killed six people but failed in its aim of bringing the whole building down. To achieve that, another plot was hatched.

Meanwhile, British and American foreign policy was focused not on the Islamic world, but on the unstable transition of former communist countries to democracy.

Twice during the Nineties, Nato launched military interventions in the Balkans, both aimed at protecting Muslim populations in Bosnia and Kosovo. What Middle East policy there was focused on diplomatic efforts, led by President Clinton, to negotiate lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians. This was hardly a Western war against Islam.

Britain and America spent much of the Nineties trying to prevent conflicts or to resolve them. At worst, as shamefully in Rwanda, they simply ignored them. They were transparently not running a conspiracy to trample the Muslim faithful underfoot. The people who depicted it that way were a tiny minority telling lies to justify murder.

But things have changed. The argument that terrorism is, in fact, a response to Western actions overseas has gained currency. It was voiced most recently on Saturday in an open letter by a number of influential British Muslim leaders to Tony Blair. The Prime Minister's policy in the Middle East, they said, puts British lives at risk.

The implication is that the young Britons who last week were accused of plotting to blow up passenger planes in mid-air would have been less susceptible to al-Qaeda recruitment had Britain not fought wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Policy should be changed, they said, to avoid giving ideological 'ammunition to extremists'.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: conspiracynonsense; globaljihad; islam; islamicnazis; muslim; waronterror
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In particular, the conduct of the war in Iraq, regardless of the virtues of removing Saddam Hussein from office, has been riddled with error. The absence of weapons of mass destruction, removal of which was the premise for war, has undermined trust in the Prime Minister.

Meanwhile, engagement in Iraq has made it harder to secure victory in Afghanistan, where the anti-terror justification for war was rock solid.

But even within the bleakest possible analysis of Mr Blair's foreign policy, it is still simply not true that the West is waging war on Islam. Just as it is not true that the CIA was really behind the 11 September attacks or any other arrant conspiratorial nonsense that enjoys widespread credence in the Middle East and beyond.

It is also a logical and moral absurdity to imply, as some critics of British policy have done, that mass murder is somehow less atrocious when it is motivated by an elaborate narrative of political grievance. If young British Muslims are alienated, that is sad and their anger should be addressed. But anyone whose alienation leads them to want to kill indiscriminately has crossed a line into psychopathic criminality.

Policy cannot be dictated by the need to placate such people. British Muslim leaders are entitled, along with everybody else, to raise questions about the conduct and consequences of Mr Blair's foreign policy. But they have a more immediate responsibility to promote the truth: that Britain is not the aggressor in a war against Islam; that no such war exists; that there is no glory in murder dressed as martyrdom and that terrorism is never excused by bogus accounts of historical victimisation.

1 posted on 08/13/2006 2:29:04 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Admin Moderator

The title should actually read: "These ludicrous lies about the West and Islam"


2 posted on 08/13/2006 2:30:23 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

Fixed, thanks.


3 posted on 08/13/2006 2:33:14 PM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: mark502inf
terrorism is never excused by bogus accounts of historical victimisation.

It's not even excused by genuine accounts of historical victimization. Once you adopt the tactic of terror, you lose, however legitimate your grievances might have been before.

At least, that's the way it would go if I ruled the world.

4 posted on 08/13/2006 2:35:49 PM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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The day I see the headline "Local muslim group credited with foiling terror plot" is the day I *may* begin to believe. I don't think I'll have to worry about that though.
5 posted on 08/13/2006 2:36:31 PM PDT by steveo (ADVERTISEMENT)
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it is still simply not true that the West is waging war on Islam

President Bush said Thursday that a foiled plot to blow up multiple flights between Britain and the United States shows "this nation is at war with Islamic fascists."
6 posted on 08/13/2006 2:38:05 PM PDT by Vision (“I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me" Philippians 3:14)
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...it is still simply not true that the West is waging war on Islam.

We should be, since Islam has been waging war on the West since before we had a Constitution. It only became official though in 1998.

7 posted on 08/13/2006 2:43:01 PM PDT by infidel29 ("The Democrat Party is like a mule. It has neither pride of ancestry nor hope of posterity.")
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To: mark502inf

Bump for later


8 posted on 08/13/2006 2:45:05 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ( “I'm the Emperor, and I want dumplings!” (German: Ich bin der Kaiser und will Knödel.))
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The Comanches were terrorists until the Federal government crushed them. They weren't crazier or nastier than the Islamofilth...


9 posted on 08/13/2006 2:50:58 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: mark502inf

If you really want to get depressed, read the comments section of that article. 98% of the replies blather about how this is all Britain's fault. Really depressing.


10 posted on 08/13/2006 2:54:41 PM PDT by caspera
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To: mark502inf
But they have a more immediate responsibility to promote the truth: that Britain is not the aggressor in a war against Islam; that no such war exists; that there is no glory in murder dressed as martyrdom and that terrorism is never excused by bogus accounts of historical victimisation.

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And we have a responsibility to change that truth, and to ensure for western survival, that we are pursuing an effective war against islam until such time that islam is able to eliminate these merciless, suicidal attacks against non-muslims throughout the world.
11 posted on 08/13/2006 3:03:54 PM PDT by photodawg
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A little tid-bit:
The Comanches were the only tribe that would also attack at night. Other tribes feared their souls wouldn't be found at night if they died in battle by the 'great spirit'.
There were no night vision devices back then.


12 posted on 08/13/2006 3:17:38 PM PDT by poetknowit
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To: mark502inf

ping


13 posted on 08/13/2006 3:22:03 PM PDT by Jack Black
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A tip from a muslim started the investigation that foiled the latest plot in London.

A muslim woman who was worried about what a relative of hers was getting into.

Not MSM material, apparently.


14 posted on 08/13/2006 3:24:36 PM PDT by MarcusAurelious (If you are lost in battle, we're splitting your gear.)
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To: mark502inf

Nuke Mecca, fix a lot of things and give those so inclined something to complain about.


15 posted on 08/13/2006 3:31:48 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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For the most part, this is a pretty tepid condemnation of the murdering Muslim mindset, but a few statements carry some weight.

mass murder is somehow less atrocious when it is motivated by an elaborate narrative of political grievance.

This is the mantra of the barbarians: their actions are justifiable since the West has historically oppressed the Palestinian people blah blah blah and stained the holy lands with their infidel presence yada yada yada. Every time this claptrap is voiced, it should immediately be stamped "Rejected." There is no moral, logical, or historical validity to the claim whatsoever. It is nothing more than an excuse, the Islamic cultural equivalent of making a defense of an offense.

If young British Muslims are alienated, that is sad and their anger should be addressed.

Yeah, the same way other vague, communal "anger" is addressed: by ignoring it. It's nothing but childish whining. There is literally NOTHING for these animals to be angry about. Not that that stops them ...

But anyone whose alienation leads them to want to kill indiscriminately has crossed a line into psychopathic criminality.

Gee, ya think? Does that mean that I'm not justified in climbing a tower with a rifle just because I got a parking ticket, or because my boss is a bureaucratic pinhead?

Policy cannot be dictated by the need to placate such people.

I would amend this to read "Policy cannot be dictated by the need to TOLERATE such people." No society need suckle its own destroyers.

British Muslim leaders are entitled, along with everybody else, to raise questions about the conduct and consequences of Mr Blair's foreign policy.

I don't think "redress of grievances" includes flying airplanes into office buildings.

But they have a more immediate responsibility to promote the truth: that Britain is not the aggressor in a war against Islam; that no such war exists; that there is no glory in murder dressed as martyrdom and that terrorism is never excused by bogus accounts of historical victimisation.

And more than that, that anything is to be gained by murdering thousands of innocent Westerners. What do they think, that one day they'll blow up enough stuff that all Western governments will say, "Okay. We give up. We've ordered all our citizens to wrap bedsheets around their heads and start screwing goats."

If there's a point to me made with all this mayhem, it's that Islam is organically incapable of living in peace. It is a "religion" that demands enemies, and if it doesn't find them, it will manufacture them at random.

16 posted on 08/13/2006 3:36:58 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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Meanwhile, British and American foreign policy was focused not on the Islamic world,

This might be true of Britain, but American policy was focused on getting an intern under the Presidential desk.

17 posted on 08/13/2006 6:01:18 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: poetknowit

Thanks. FReepers abound with knowledge.


18 posted on 08/13/2006 7:58:29 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: IronJack

Good comments, I-Jack. You gleaned out the "greatest hits" from the column!


19 posted on 08/14/2006 3:52:48 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: aimhigh

OK, I admit I laughed.


20 posted on 08/14/2006 3:53:34 AM PDT by mark502inf
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