Posted on 08/12/2006 6:38:47 AM PDT by callthemlikeyouseethem
Immigration officials have now picked up all but two of the eleven Egyptian exchange students who came to the U-S for a summer course in Montana but never showed up for classes.
U-S Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents tracked three of the students to Des Moines, Iowa, where they were arrested yesterday. Others were picked up earlier in New Jersey, Maryland, Chicago and Minnesota.
(Excerpt) Read more at fox23news.com ...
Heh heh heh.
Pardon me for a little "very-UN-PC" anecdote in this regard.
There once was an Arab chemist doing a 2- or 3-month sabbatical at an American University. The personal secretary of the professor he was working with was a stereotypical "big black woman."
One day, the Arab chemist made the mistake of telling her (to her face) that "she needed to learn her place as a woman".
Talk about your explosive detonations... :-)
Cheers!
I've seen at least two different FReepers post that over the years. I dimly recall that one said he heard it on WABC radio in NYC.
Obligatory Baltimore joke.
What are the first three words a Dundalk baby learns?
"Attention, K-Mart shoppers!"
Full Disclosure: glad that some of those folks were paying attention with regards to cell phone purchases...
Cheers!
"Students were recruited and selected by Mansoura University. MSU was not involved in the selection process."
And what the hell, exactly, is "Mansoura University"??
At least Montana learned from its mistakes and is not repeating this program.
U.S. colleges frequnetly look to foreign students for funds as an income source. They should NOT be recruiting Islamic students.
Islam is a murderous cult, not a religion. If they want to be multi-cultural, why not recruit Coptic, Zoroastrian, Sikh, or Hindu students? They could give the American students an earful about the REAL Islam - the one the politicians and educators DON'T want them to hear about.
"Of the two, I am more worried about the cell phone guys..."
Yes, I agree, the cell phone purchasing is very odd...something is going on, without a doubt. But the two "students" who were arrested in MD in the same location where other known terrorists were also nabbed is quite unnerving.
#5, 9 and 11. I felt the same way. Same evil eyes as Atta and his bunch.
As Senator Dick Durbin would say "But these are just fine upstanding Muslim men searching for an education in cooking and sewing" In Montana of all places.
The FBI said it about 9/11 in the 30 minutes before the second tower was hit!
I've seen at least two different FReepers post that over the years. I dimly recall that one said he heard it on WABC radio in NYC.
I was in my office in NYC the morning of 9/11. I heard it on the radio - either WABC or WINS, maybe both.
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/education/bal-md.visas12aug12,0,2106496.story?coll=bal-local-headlines
School tries to survive visa abuse
Egypt college seeks to uphold program that lost students
By Gadi Dechter
sun reporter
Originally published August 12, 2006
Even as federal agents continued their nationwide hunt to arrest and possibly deport his students, the president of Egypt's Mansoura University was preparing yesterday to send two more students to study in the United States - his sons.
Two of 11 Mansoura students who violated their student visas were captured this week in Dundalk, but five others remain unaccounted for, authorities said.
President Magdy Abou Rayan said the failure of the students to show up to a one-month academic program at Montana State University had damaged his plans for a burgeoning cross-cultural exchange, but pledged to continue promoting American culture to Egypt's rural Nile delta, where he said the incident has triggered a backlash against his university's exchange program in the fundamentalist Muslim press.
His first step will be to see off his two sons today to America, where Sharif Rayan, 23, is pursuing a master's degree in electrical engineering at Indiana's Purdue University, and Mohammed Rayan, 18, will begin college at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.
The next step - persuading American universities and U.S. immigration authorities to take a chance on Mansoura University students again - will be far more difficult, Rayan acknowledged.
"But we will not stop the [exchange] program and we are looking to strengthen the cooperation with the American people," he said. "And also to have American students come to Egypt."
Rayan said State Department officials have assured him that the disappearance of the 11 students will not prejudice future student visa applications from Mansoura, but he said that "of course, sure" they will.
An official at Montana State University said the college would have to re-examine its relationship with Mansoura, which began this summer.
"Clearly there are some significant issues that have been raised by this issue," said David Dooley, the university's provost and vice president of academic affairs. "We are going to have to have a real heart-to-heart with representatives of Mansoura University and find out what happened."
It's no great mystery to Rayan.
"It's very simple. Most of the young people here think about the American dream. It's a problem," he said, laughing. "They dream to work and live in the United States, where they have better [pay] and better way of life."
Rayan said he has not talked to the six Mansoura students who were arrested this week - in Maryland, New Jersey, Minnesota and Illinois - but, like immigration agents, he believes they violated their visas with the intention of staying and working in the U.S.
Federal agents have repeatedly emphasized that they don't believe the Egyptians pose a security threat. When they are returned to Egypt, they might be expelled, Rayan said.
The university president has been in daily contact with the six Mansoura students who did make it to the Bozeman campus in Montana, where they are taking immersion courses in English language and American culture.
After the FBI initiated a nationwide search last week, those six students' reception at Montana State University turned "unfriendly," Rayan said the students told him. "They feel like they are not free," he said, adding that the students told him campus officials would not let them travel off campus without supervision.
After talking to them again yesterday evening, Rayan said the students reported being happier than they had been earlier in the week. Dooley said the Montana university was doing its best to make the Egyptian students comfortable under difficult circumstances. "It's not easy for these students, as they have been repeatedly interviewed by Homeland Security. They do suffer a bit ... but we're working hard to deliver to these students the kind of program that we designed for them."
Rayan said he is planning to visit the students in Montana when he travels to the United States next week.
Only way a democracy can run a successful war is to have a strong democratically-elected CINC that gets a carte blanche "GO" declaration of war from a democratically-elected congress.
Congress should be judicious with a declaration of war so that once they turn it on, it either goes to victory, or they can sign a treaty.
My limited point is, if you are going to your individual democratic representatives to suggest or push certain changes in military strategy, then the wheels are already off.
In the Revolutionary War, Congress and Cornwallis were often aligned against Washington's victory. In Vietnam, LBJ and his cabinet were choosing bombing targets. In this war, we cannot have Lamont and Frist dictating "compromise" war strategy.
They say making legislation is like making sausage....everyone likes the result, but the process is messy. I think making war strategy through legislation will just turn soldiers into sausage.
You people are naive and stupid #10 is Barack Obama Illinois Senator and #11 is the catcher for the Detroit Tigers Ivan Rodriguez. God, I figured this one out with my morning coffee.
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Does immigration actually have the guts to do their job and deport them? Seems like deporting a Visa jumper is on the job description...
If those caught thus far were just doing the student visa thing just to disappear in the land of opportunity their timing certainly sucked. LOL
"They feel like they are not free," he said, adding that the students told him campus officials would not let them travel off campus without supervision."
They are still more free in Montana then they are in their own country.
Last 2 Egyptian students caught. Two students (named Mohammed and Mohammed) were picked up in Richmond, Virginia. Breaking on Drudge's radio show.
I heard part of what he (Drudge) said but didn't get the gist of it... thanks.
Thanks, Rte66. The last two may have been caught... not sure. Haven't seen confirmation.
GREAT!, thanks for the update...
I bought (Heaven forbid) a Des Moines Register (ewww) today to find what more I can on this. I haven't read it yet, but I'll post anything significant...
And I'll do it ASAP...;)
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